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Poll: I'm being serious - Autos + Black market forums
Bring Them Back
Don't Bring Them Back
Bring Back Autos Board
Bring Back Underground
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Loads O Fire
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Apr 25, 2007, 11:46 AM

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Mods, if you don't like this post delete it, I wont care. I would prefer it stays up, because in my mind it is a very important topic which we haven't discussed in a long time.

I'm 100% serious right now, I am not posthing this as a joke, or as a post I just thought of off the top of my head. I've put a lot of thought into this since the forums were taken down, months ago.

Its our choice whether they will return or not, please voice your opinion.

Everything below is strictly my opinion on how FREE-GAMES Forums has changed since the lose of the forums.

So, I'll begin with what FGF was when we had those two forums. Basically, in my opinion, those were FREE-GAMES Forum's golden days, we had new members joining every second, we had plenty of high quality posts from many different players, and overall, I thought FGF was doing great. For quite a while I had to moderate those two forums, it was OK, I had to ban a lot of people, scan a lot of files, delete a lot of posts, but myself, and the rest of the mods got the job done. Along with a lot of good players that we received from those forums, we obviously met a lot of scrubs who were here to steal accounts, insult our users, spam our board, ect. Those people were easy to deal with. A lot of usefull information was constantly being posted, and the mods felt as if they were truthfully helping out, well, at least I did.

I'm going to jump forward to the week these forums were removed. Damn... Well, we lost close to half of our active members on the Runescape category. At first, all was fine, no one worried, there were still skum-bags spamming, trying to sell accounts, trying to keylog players, but less. When I was modding during this time, I have to admit, I was beginning to feel useless, which was why I decided to give up my powers as moderator soon after. There was really nothing going on. For the whole time I modded the Runescape forums, I wasn't playing Runescape at all, if I was, it was only for a short period of time. I modded simply to help players out, I was an active user, that was able to help quite a bit because I had a lot of knowledge about runescape, and a lot of time to dedicate to modding. Well, as I said earlier, there was nothing to mod, all the members we had at the time were old respected members that had decided to stay.

Again, jumping forward, but to now. The Runescape section basically, died. Yea, we still have our old members, who have been here for years, but we are rarely getting new members. You can see how removing those two forums have effected the other categories, such as general, other GAMES, ect. Modding seems to be easier than ever, the odd spammer or scammer comes by a few times a week, but thankfully we have some great mods which clean it up right away, or soon after it was posted.

Now, there are many other parts of FGF this has affected. With a lack of new members, we are used to only seeing old faces, I myself get caught doing this from time to time. We simply think older members deserve more credit, and more respect. Since my return a few weeks ago, I felt as if people were showing too much respect towards me simply because I am now considered one of the "old school FGF users". To some people there is nothing wrong with liking people because of how long they've been here, truthfully there is nothing wrong with it, if they've sucked it up, and stayed here through good times and bad they obviously show a lot of dedication towards FGF. But I myself am not someone to look at what someone has done in the past, as much as what they are doing now. This all started when we lost those two forums, when the rush of new users died down, when we began to stop seeing new faces. Look at all the old users, if you can remember them, that came here for a month or two, and became huge fast, there are almost too many to count. I see myself as one of those people, simply because my intentions weren't to gain anything from joining this forum, it was to help, I know, I've probably said that close to a hundred times, but its true. We don't see users like that any more, which is sad, and really a shame.

When we had them, that didn't mean there were more autoers in Runescape, actually, the numbers wouldn't change whether we brought them back. See, it makes no difference, because right now, potential users come to FGF, look around, notice we don't have those forums, leave, and join Sythe instead of us. If we brought them back, the amount of rule breakers would remain exactly the same.

Simply because we allow these topics to be discussed in no means we all support cheating, I know I don't, and didn't when we had the old forums, yet I still took part in threads.

I keep going on about a lot of things, and truthfully I could go on for hours about this topic, but I'll cut it short, please, please, leave a response, whether you agree or not.

EDIT: I felt like adding this in. Look back to when you joined this forum, was it because of either of those forums, or not? I know for sure at least 75% of us found this forum from searching something on Google, which brought us to one of those forums.


(This post was edited by Bolt on Apr 25, 2007, 12:18 PM)



Dave43
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Apr 25, 2007, 11:58 AM

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Pros:

- A flood of new members
- Runescape forum will become more active again

Cons:

- Spam rate will skyrocket
- Same with the number of scammers
- Increased traffic
- a flood of new members
- Jagex will most likely find this site, penalize and ban accounts not hidden

Meh.

Good and bad, i don't care.


Bolt
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Apr 25, 2007, 12:00 PM

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Hell nah to the Cheats forum. I remember spending waaay too much time cleaning that thing up every day. It brings in a shady crowd and just isn't worth the upkeep.

On the other hand, bringing back the account trading forum might be a nice change. It kinda seems like the FGF RuneScape forums are dying - this just might revive them.


BTW, just changed your spelling of 'bring' in the poll - kinda bugged me. Tongue


(This post was edited by Bolt on Apr 25, 2007, 12:02 PM)


Jindrak
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Apr 25, 2007, 12:02 PM

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I don't think it's a really good idea. I voted no to any.
If they did manage a come-back, I'd try to make the best out of them, but I just don't see it happening. This is going to eventually degenerate into TazG, Athrin, etc. vs the Runescapers eventually, though I'm sure you know that.


(This post was edited by Jindrak on Apr 25, 2007, 12:15 PM)


Van Jens
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Apr 25, 2007, 12:07 PM

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Boo hoo. What are you doing for moderation now? Practically nothing. If you'd want to make your title worth something, support this idea.
I was hoping someone would bring this up...


eye of str
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Apr 25, 2007, 12:07 PM

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I vote yes.


Loads O Fire
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Apr 25, 2007, 12:10 PM

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I don't remember if mods can do this or not, I know I can't when I just edit my post. Can someone add 2 different answers in "Only bring back Auto / Bot forum" and "Only add "Runescape Underground / Black Market".

I should have added those in before I posted it.


Nitrous™
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Apr 25, 2007, 12:11 PM

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I say No to autos, but yes to Black Market.. It would come in handy sometimes when you cant find a trusted forum. Some Suggestions:

1. Have official MM as a new title, as well as a sticky with a list of all the official MM's.
2. Must use an official MM as a rule.
3. Make me an official MM. :)
4. Must be enth to post?

Anyway I think its a very good idea.. Oh and werent you a mod??? o_O Did you get devetted or somethin? Or was I mistaken?


Jindrak
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Apr 25, 2007, 12:12 PM

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Changed.
And Nit, he asked to be demodded, and was eventually devetted for inactivity.

And something we're missing here, to add these back would require, well, Jammer.
lol


(This post was edited by Jindrak on Apr 25, 2007, 12:13 PM)


jabman
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Apr 25, 2007, 12:14 PM

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NO. We need no more Runescape players what so ever.


Bolt
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Apr 25, 2007, 12:17 PM

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What am I doing for moderation? You see NOTHING I do, it's all behind the scenes. I no longer lock and edit scam/spam posts - I've resorted to just banning the user and deleting the thread to save space on the front page. Just because you don't see me "BOLTing" threads doesn't mean I've given up my responsibility here. Making my title 'worth something' isn't what I'm supposed to do. I'm supposed to do what I think is best for the forum. I know that bringing back H&A would be only cause trouble for users and moderators. The Black Market, on the other hand, would attract more legit (albeit not completely) players and would reinvigorate the entire RS Category.

Got it, Van Jens?


Dr. Funk
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Apr 25, 2007, 12:19 PM

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I'm sure Jammer wouldn't like to have to deal with the legality of his website on top of his other work anyway.

NO.


Loads O Fire
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Apr 25, 2007, 12:21 PM

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Anyway I think its a very good idea.. Oh and werent you a mod??? o_O Did you get devetted or somethin? Or was I mistaken?


Yep, what Jindrak said. I explained why I decided to stop modding in the post, but will explain again, because it is a big part of why I'm posting this.

I used to love modding, far too much than I really should have. I liked being on whenever I didn't have anything to do outside of my house, which was almost always. So I had a lot of time I devoted to modding. FGF's activity, and traffic is what made it so enjoyable for me. I had a lot of posts to read, a lot of posts to edit, lock, delete, and even a lot of players to ban. I didn't even play Runescape for most of the time I modded, I think I quit a month or two after I began to mod, but I still enjoyed it, because it was entertaining for me, and at the same time, I was able to help 100s of people out, I get a lot of satisfaction by helping people, so modding was a great job for me.

Well, when those 2 forums were removed, traffic in each forum I modded lowered, and I felt useless. I would stay on for about 5 hours a day hoping a new post would pop up, so I would feel as if I was needed. Well, months passed, and really, nothing changed, it just became more inactive as each week passed.

As I said above, I wasn't even playing Runescape at the time, so I had no interest in the game itself, I just liked helping FGF users. So when I wasn't really able to help FGF users, I became sick of this category, and ended up just giving in, and asking Jammer to demod me.


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I'm sure Jammer wouldn't like to have to deal with the legality of his website on top of his other work anyway.

NO.

The only reason Jammer still runs this forum is for the money he makes from advertisements. Hes said it himself when we discussed deleting these forums, but in different words. I think he would be glad if anything to see these back, and bringing traffic to FGF once again. What else would his motives be for FGF, if not to make money? I haven't seen him take part in anything related to do with FGF in ages, he clearly doesn't keep it going because he loves us users...


(This post was edited by Loads O Fire on Apr 25, 2007, 12:25 PM)


Van Jens
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Apr 25, 2007, 12:24 PM

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Oh "behind the scenes". Scams don't even happen that often that this forum has to be on lockdown 24/7.
If you think you're only going to do what's best for your forums, just don't moderate the H&A forums then, if it's such a huge responsibility.
I know I don't see "everything" that requires you to take action for, but I know for a fact it requires minimal effort to do so.
So really...I guess I'm just not getting it.


coolgreencat
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Apr 25, 2007, 12:24 PM

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I wasn't around for the underground, but I have heard many opinions. I vote NO.

People mentioned why above.


Dr. Funk
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Apr 25, 2007, 12:29 PM

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The only reason Jammer still runs this forum is for the money he makes from advertisements. Hes said it himself when we discussed deleting these forums, but in different words. I think he would be glad if anything to see these back, and bringing traffic to FGF once again. What else would his motives be for FGF, if not to make money? I haven't seen him take part in anything related to do with FGF in ages, he clearly doesn't keep it going because he loves us users...

Think about it, moron. If he gets sued by Jagex for distributing software that violates their terms of service, he could lose much more money than he's earned, or have the site shut down, which will lose him money too.

Simple economics.

EDIT: If you're a moderator and you're feeling useless, that's a GOOD thing. It means that the community is self-sustaining and you don't have a bunch of idiots to lord over and thwack with the cat-o-nine-tails. Go find a new hobby.


(This post was edited by Dr. Funk on Apr 25, 2007, 12:32 PM)


Heavenz
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Apr 25, 2007, 12:34 PM

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Okay, but black markets can just crash and become stupid, let's take sythe.org as our example here. There is about 1 legit seller on that site, the rest scam. Sites like these always have scammers, that's just the way things are.

Anyone here that talks on #fgf would know there is a tonne of account trading and membership selling anyway. In one sense, making the forum would just bring scammers, ruining the trust we have with each other. However, more legit sellers and buyers could come and sell/buy.

If we were to have a black market, it would have to be moderated very carefully, making sure that anyone selling is legit, or only giving certain people permission to sell. It would be a lot of work to set up, but it could blossom in the end I guess.

Ps: I don't think the autoing section should be put back into place, as if you check most autoing websites, they are full of leechers.


Bolt
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Apr 25, 2007, 12:36 PM

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Gah, IGNORANCE!

How would you know how often scams happen if the moderators have already taken care of it? How do you know for a fact that it requires minimal effort to take care of a forum, especially one that will invite the scum of the internet into keylogging / virus-ing the [Expletive Deleted] out of us? Have you ever moderated one? I'm not saying moderating is the hardest job in the world, it's not, I'm saying that the risks just outweigh the rewards. I just don't want our forum to be flooded with shady people.

Second, doing what's best for the forum doesn't mean choosing not to moderate a certain one - if we choose to bring back the H&A, of course I'll watch over it. Just because I don't want it to be there doesn't mean I'll completely abandon it. It's not a huge responsibility,

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I just don't want our forum to be flooded with shady people.



Jindrak
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Apr 25, 2007, 12:37 PM

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And to re-assess what kind of people we were getting when we shut down those forums...
well...
Gre Dork.
<shudder>


Loads O Fire
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Apr 25, 2007, 12:39 PM

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The only reason Jammer still runs this forum is for the money he makes from advertisements. Hes said it himself when we discussed deleting these forums, but in different words. I think he would be glad if anything to see these back, and bringing traffic to FGF once again. What else would his motives be for FGF, if not to make money? I haven't seen him take part in anything related to do with FGF in ages, he clearly doesn't keep it going because he loves us users...

Think about it, moron. If he gets sued by Jagex for distributing software that violates their terms of service, he could lose much more money than he's earned, or have the site shut down, which will lose him money too.

Simple economics.


Getting sued for something like that is close to impossible. As I said in the post, because Jammer allows us to talk about them, does not mean he promotes them. He runs this site from what we tell him to do, our say tends to be what happens, well, the Veterans say. There is nothing illegal about allow people to discuss the topic, Jagex can do nothing against this site, other than pick out users like they did with Sythe. Each member from Sythe who was banned was banned because they were well, stupid.

The only way Jammer could get sued, is if he made a program which broke into Jagex systems, or edited the game. We didn't allow hacks to be discussed back than, and I know we wouldn't in the future.

Underground on the other hand, could get us players in trouble, but not Jammer. We are selling items which belong to Jagex. Yet, if you read the terms of agreement, it does not state anywhere that legal action can, or will be taken (From when I last read it). Meaning, they can ban users who do it, but that is basically all. The most they would attempt to do is shut FGF down, which I am certain wouldn't happen.


Jindrak
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Apr 25, 2007, 12:41 PM

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Underground on the other hand, could get us players in trouble


Another thing I love about not having them here. I don't have to worry about throwing my account pictures around here.


TazG
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Apr 25, 2007, 12:43 PM

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See, it makes no difference, because right now, potential users come to FGF, look around, notice we don't have those forums, leave, and join Sythe instead of us. If we brought them back, the amount of rule breakers would remain exactly the same.

Simply because we allow these topics to be discussed in no means we all support cheating, I know I don't, and didn't when we had the old forums, yet I still took part in threads.



Dude.

Your whole freaking post is a contradictory piece of shit.

I'm sorry.

This discussion already happened long ago. The damage these parts of the site did to the community is STILL here. You can read how the community has changed and why it's never going to get better in this thread.

Stop beating a dead horse.

But this is all besides the point.

Jammer cares less now than he ever has. Even if we agreed to put these back, it'll never happen. Besides you'd need to convince Jammer to do it, not all the kids who visit the Runescape forums. Jammer already made his decision anyway.

Don't you get it man?

FGF is the dead horse.

Give up on it.


Dr. Funk
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Apr 25, 2007, 12:44 PM

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Your post was riddled with a lot of maybes and false self-assurances.

I'm not even going to keep going with this discussion. Reiterate all the points you want, but you're the only one agreeing with your points.


TazG
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Apr 25, 2007, 12:45 PM

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Underground on the other hand, could get us players in trouble, but not Jammer.

How are you so ignorant? Sites have been SHUT DOWN by Jagex for this very reason. I can't believe how you lost all interest in this community, then suddenly pop up out of nowhere with these stupid suggestions.


Jindrak
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Apr 25, 2007, 12:45 PM

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I don't like that thread Frown

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