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Asgard Elite
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Jul 24, 2007, 8:03 AM

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The federation is tiny.
i lol'd, dumbass
The United Federation of Planets, UFP, or "The Federation" is a fictional state depicted in Star Trek television series and motion pictures. In those episodes and films, the Federation is described as an interstellar federal state with more than 150 member planets and thousands of colonies spread across 8,000 light years.




The Empire consists of over one million member worlds and 50 million colonies, protectorates and governorships.

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TazG
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Jul 24, 2007, 11:52 AM

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i lol'd because you seem to think they could beat the Federation with numbers alone.

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king_zepplin
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Jul 24, 2007, 12:22 PM

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Well, if we are debating quality, Star Trek would win. Battles dont matter. But if you Invidious really know as much about star trek as you say you do, you would know that Q would destroy any Star Wars ship, the Dominion would infiltrate all Star Wars personnel, and Ferengi's would annoy the [Expletive Deleted] out of you


TazG
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Jul 24, 2007, 1:39 PM

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Battles dont matter. But if you Invidious really know as much about star trek as you say you do, you would know that Q would destroy any Star Wars ship, the Dominion would infiltrate all Star Wars personnel, and Ferengi's would annoy the [Expletive Deleted] out of you
Or the Organians would stop the battle from ever happening, and one of the countless beings capable of teleporting them a million light years away would put them back where they belong.

Alternatively, send one small team of Starfleet engineers to sabotage the flagships and/or turn the entire droid population against them and destroy them from the inside. Because the Empire has like zero fault tolerance.

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TazG
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Jul 24, 2007, 1:58 PM

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And even then it wouldn't make much difference because of the difference in weapons range. All the Alliance has to do is bombard Federation ships at several hundred kilometers away ... I've watched all the major space battles in DS9. No combat action took place more than 5km away. Whereas 10km is considered "point-blank" in SW.
That's nice, but after a small army of Romulan suicide bombers with cloaking devices wipe out your entire Alliance fleet within minutes from antimatter explosions, you might have to reconsider your definitions of "point blank" and "bombard", loser.

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Jul 24, 2007, 2:07 PM

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Dude.





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Asgard Elite
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Jul 24, 2007, 3:19 PM

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And even then it wouldn't make much difference because of the difference in weapons range. All the Alliance has to do is bombard Federation ships at several hundred kilometers away ... I've watched all the major space battles in DS9. No combat action took place more than 5km away. Whereas 10km is considered "point-blank" in SW.
That's nice, but after a small army of Romulan suicide bombers with cloaking devices wipe out your entire Alliance fleet within minutes from antimatter explosions, you might have to reconsider your definitions of "point blank" and "bombard", loser.
Not if they had CGT's.


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TazG
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Jul 24, 2007, 3:25 PM

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They are designed to detect cloaking devices used by their own people and were designed a long, long time ago, in a galaxy far far away. Expecting them to be useful against Romulans is like downloading a security patch for Internet Explorer 4 and expecting you'll be safe. Besides, even if cloaking fails, Star Trek has phase shifting etc. etc. etc.

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jabman
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Jul 24, 2007, 3:43 PM

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I think it's sad that you all are debating this so seriously.

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Dr. Funk
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Jul 24, 2007, 4:26 PM

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I think it's sad that you all are debating this so seriously.
hey guys lets debate which angelina is hottest

its obviously much more important to jabman

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Invidious
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Jul 24, 2007, 4:28 PM

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Well, if we are debating quality, Star Trek would win. Battles dont matter. But if you Invidious really know as much about star trek as you say you do, you would know that Q would destroy any Star Wars ship, the Dominion would infiltrate all Star Wars personnel, and Ferengi's would annoy the [Expletive Deleted] out of you
But I said Federation specifically.

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Invidious
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Jul 24, 2007, 4:29 PM

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And even then it wouldn't make much difference because of the difference in weapons range. All the Alliance has to do is bombard Federation ships at several hundred kilometers away ... I've watched all the major space battles in DS9. No combat action took place more than 5km away. Whereas 10km is considered "point-blank" in SW.
That's nice, but after a small army of Romulan suicide bombers with cloaking devices wipe out your entire Alliance fleet within minutes from antimatter explosions, you might have to reconsider your definitions of "point blank" and "bombard", loser.
SW has cloaking devices too, and when things start to blow up all the GA ships need to do is jump away.

Hit and run before the cloaked bombers hit IMHO.

And why the hell are those ships manned?

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Invidious
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Jul 24, 2007, 4:30 PM

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Battles dont matter. But if you Invidious really know as much about star trek as you say you do, you would know that Q would destroy any Star Wars ship, the Dominion would infiltrate all Star Wars personnel, and Ferengi's would annoy the [Expletive Deleted] out of you
Or the Organians would stop the battle from ever happening, and one of the countless beings capable of teleporting them a million light years away would put them back where they belong.

Alternatively, send one small team of Starfleet engineers to sabotage the flagships and/or turn the entire droid population against them and destroy them from the inside. Because the Empire has like zero fault tolerance.
While the GA engineers sit still IYHO? And the GA doesn't use droids extensively.

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Invidious
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Jul 24, 2007, 4:33 PM

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Spouting on about the technical details of the props is about the weakest tactic you could use, but apparently it's all you've got. That's because Star Trek owns.
Because everything else is freaking subjective.
Not true at all. Many solid facts can be used against Star Wars and in favor of Star Trek, like how much was inspired from it. Which includes Star Wars. There's even a city in Canada named Vulcan for crap's sake. Star Trek has influenced science more than most people realize.
Star Trek invented many things that have been used in sci-fi afterwards, like cloaking devices and sleeper ships, but everything in Star Wars is just borrowed from old sci-fi stories from the 50s or earlier - and which came first, Star Trek or Star Wars?
You know when Obi-wan says "I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced"? That was, almost word for word, a quote from Spock. If I can find the episode I'll show it to you.
Many single episodes of the original Star Trek have gone down as all-time classics and even made history. Example: Star Trek had the first inter-racial kiss ever seen on television.

Then of course there's the success of it. You are outnumbered here in every way, in fact. Star Wars has a large collection of novels, but this number is totally blown away by the vast, innumerable collection of Star Trek novels, and that's not including the huge collection of comic books and non-fiction. Star Wars has 6 movies, but Star Trek has 10 movies and 6 TV series, 3 of which lasted 7 seasons each, with a 7th series and an 11th movie on the way. Even if you take into account that some people only like the old movies, Star Wars is still outnumbered by double (Star Wars trilogy vs. 6 original series Star Trek movies).

You know, I can't think of a single area where you do not fail.
No, I'm not talking about this bullcrap. I still like SW more and that's completely subjective.

ST really has a shitload of plot errors and redundancies. Sure, SW has them too but ST has them in the bitchloads.

Star Wars still pwns Star Trek so shut the hell up.

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Asgard Elite
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Jul 24, 2007, 4:57 PM

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i lol'd because you seem to think they could beat the Federation with numbers alone.

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I posted that because you said this:


And by "Federation ship" you mean the Enterprise's normal operational specs, right? Once again, you obviously have no idea how vast and powerful the Federation is.

And you're still stalling. Basically you're saying that all Star Trek would have to do to blow Star Wars out of the water is come out with a new movie with an upgraded Starship Enterprise in it. Spouting on about the technical details of the props is about the weakest tactic you could use, but apparently it's all you've got. That's because Star Trek owns.

And I doubt the suicide bomber's would even manage to bring down a capital ships shield.

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Shinjoiu
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Jul 24, 2007, 5:11 PM

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I sat on the federation yesterday. Not pleasent.


Invidious
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Jul 25, 2007, 12:11 AM

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Yeah, I keep thinking about that. Especially with recent developments in shield augmenting technology. I mean, a VSD from the Old Republic Era could hold up to a few minutes of sustained concentrated bombardment from two ISDs.

And the Dreadnaughts in the Katana fleet were notoriously durable.

Heck, I don't think any of the weapons in Star Trek would be able to penetrate modern starship armor. Just look back to the Thrawn books and the descriptions of the Dreadnaughts, they were a bitch to slag up and that was with modern weapons.

Speaking of weapons, it still remains a FACT that just one single light blast from a snubfighter would be able to blow up the Enterprise. Now imagine what the Capships could do to the Federation warships.

And I'm also leaving out a bunch of shizzle from the new books, detailing events over 100 ABY. I haven't been able to read them but I've gleaned some shizzle about Pellaeon class SSDs which would be the superior analog of the Eclipse class SSDs which I also refrain from mentioning because that would be overkill.

Just imagine a battle, hell it wouldn't even be a battle. The Capships would jump in out of range, fire one salvo and it would be over. Completely.


And these aren't the "villains" of SW btw because this is after the Empire, even after the New Republic(which still could've easily pawned the Federation) and during the Galactic Alliance. And if I you're going to talk about villains, don't even get me started on the Yuuzhan Vong. Hell, even the freaking Ssi-Ruuk would've pawned the Federation.

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TazG
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Jul 25, 2007, 2:17 AM

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SW has cloaking devices too
First of all, Star Trek invented cloaking devices. The fact that Star Wars has them is therefore a testament of Trek's superiority.

Second:

"The first Star Wars reference to cloaking devices is heard in The Empire Strikes Back when Captain Needa states that no ship as small as the Millennium Falcon can be equipped with a cloaking device"

"the original cloaking devices were small objects created from very rare naturally occurring stygium crystals. However, in later years (such as during the Empire) these crystals seem to have been depleted, with the surviving devices being extremely expensive, only ships as important as Palpatine's shuttle would be equipped with them. By the time of The Empire Strikes Back, the only cloaking devices known to exist (without the aid of stygian crystals) were much larger, and required vast amounts of power, as well as the design being an Imperial military secret. It is one of these far less practical devices that Captain Needa was referring to."

The cloaking technology in Star Trek is vastly superior, and there are several different kinds of it. Star Wars only has one - and it's an Imperial military secret, meaning that their sensors would only be able to detect their own cloaks. They're also purely military and don't have any science or research divisions so it is very unlikely that they would, even given enough time, figure out how to even detect Romulan or Klingon cloaks which are pretty basic compared to other possible ways of hiding from sensors. Star Wars cloaking is limited to ships so large that they could probably be detected in other ways anyway. Star Trek cloaking just draws power from other systems and has virtually no size limit.

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and when things start to blow up all the GA ships need to do is jump away.
Not if the attacking fleet is evenly spaced and times all collisions to happen at once. And since they can't be seen, they'd have all the time they needed to coordinate that.

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And why the hell are those ships manned?
Because they're Romulan. They love the whole "dying with honor" thing. If you disable their ship they'll self-destruct, too.


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No, I'm not talking about this bullcrap.
You said you didn't want to talk about anything subjective so I gave you facts. Now you don't want to talk about them because it makes you lose.
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ST really has a [Expletive Deleted]load of plot errors and redundancies.
Name five.



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I posted that because you said this:

you obviously have no idea how vast and powerful the Federation is.
Because that can be said about a SINGLE race in Star Trek. The amount of planets and colonies you have is meaningless if they're all weak.

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And I doubt the suicide bomber's would even manage to bring down a capital ships shield.
Obviously you don't know much about antimatter explosions, and you don't know that with some effort they could probably get on the other side of the shield before exploding, and the shield would be used against you by forcing implosion. A phase-shifting ship would also be completely unaffected by your shields because it wouldn't have to even touch them. And finally, your shields are not designed to block a transporter beam, because you have never heard of such a thing. What's stopping us from filling your ships with bombs in a quick, invisible flyby?


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Star Wars still pwns Star Trek so shut the hell up.
You are unwise to lower your defenses.


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The Yuuzhan Vong endeavor to improve their physical capabilities through organ grafting.
Sounds like another ripoff.
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The Yuuzhan Vong use only living things for everything from ships to weapons to everyday objects.
Sounds like a major weakness. Infect their homeworld with diathermic oxygen and they're finished.



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But I said Federation specifically.
Why?

If you can put the Empire against the Federation (evil vs. good) then why shouldn't it be Borg vs. Rebels? The rule in both Wars and Trek is that good > evil even if evil is more powerful, except in Wars they're more evenly matched. Putting the Rebels up against all the evil in Star Trek would certainly overwhelm them, whereas Star Trek's heroes vs. the Force is nothing they haven't already overcome.

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Asgard Elite
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Jul 25, 2007, 6:57 AM

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Alright if you dont like evil vs evil. How about new republic vs federation.

As for the Vong they only use organic tech, any tech thats not organic is against there religion. Also they have a whole galaxy of planets you would have to blow up. But were not talking borg or vong.

And do you really think that any single federation ship could go toe to toe with a Viscount-class Star Defender or even an Mc90 star cruiser?

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Jul 25, 2007, 6:58 AM

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Plus i doubt anyone could really stand up to the Son'a's Subspace Weapons


Asgard Elite
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Jul 25, 2007, 7:05 AM

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Except star wars ships don't travel through sub space.

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king_zepplin
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Jul 25, 2007, 10:59 AM

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neither do star trek ships. If you rip a hole in subspace, everything in every dimension gets sucked in


TazG
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Jul 25, 2007, 10:09 PM

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Alright if you dont like evil vs evil.
When did I say that.
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How about new republic vs federation.
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do you really think that any single federation ship could go toe to toe with a Viscount-class Star Defender or even an Mc90 star cruiser?
Read my post again.



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As for the Vong they only use organic tech, any tech thats not organic is against there religion ... were not talking borg
They are a mix of Borg and Vidiian concepts. Notice I put TWO links.


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Also they have a whole galaxy of planets you would have to blow up.
That's irrelevant. The point is that any enemy who is purely organic is no threat to a group of experienced Star Trek characters. We have destroyed organisms larger than a planet. According to Invidibutt the Vong is the most dangerous race in Star Wars, but if they were in Star Trek they would hardly be fearsome enough to warrant a two-part episode let alone a repeat appearance. They're the best you have, and they're a joke. That's the point.


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Except star wars ships don't travel through sub space.
First of all hyperspace and subspace are interchangeable in sci-fi. If you want to make them two different things then so be it, but just so you know, it would hardly be an advantage. Star Trek has means of reaching all sorts of dimensions. Considering the fact that you've been happily opening portals all over the place for centuries, they should have no problem accessing hyperspace once they visit the Star Wars galaxy. On the other hand if you can't reach subspace then we will always have the element of surprise, and even if hyperdrive allowed faster travel you will never reach us because you are in hyperspace while we are in subspace. So congratulations, you shot yourself in the foot again.

And the other thing is that, as mentioned, subspace weapons don't mean that you or your target need to be in the process of subspace travel to use them. So sorry you fail.


EDIT: All you retards who think Star Wars has the most powerful weapons should go to the link zepplin posted and get it through your heads that there's a hell of a lot more than phasers and photon torpedoes out there. The best Star Wars has is a bunch of variants of beam weapons, which can be circumvented completely.

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Jul 26, 2007, 2:04 AM

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Plus, if they were really desperate to win, they could whip out

Transphasic torpedoes

Transphasic torpedoes appear only once, in the Voyager series finale, Endgame. They are high-yield torpedoes that are designed specifically to fight the Borg. The future Admiral Janeway brought them back in time in a Federation shuttle-craft and had them installed onboard Voyager in 2377. They are among the most powerful weapons used in the Star Trek universe; this is evident from the fact that one torpedo is capable of destroying an entire Borg Cube, a feat normally requiring a severe amount of punishment using standard Federation weapons.


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Remember in First Contact, the battle of Sector 001? It took like, an entire federation fleet to destroy the cube, and at the battle of Wolf 359, when Picard was assimilated, they had all the knowledge of the federation ship and could have adjusted their shield harmonics to make the enterprises' weapons useless, which they did. Seeing as how Voyager used the transphasic torpedo to COMEPLETLEY destroy a borg cube ten years after the battle of Wolf 359, that means even with Picard, a Captain and high ranking officer with HUGE ammounts of knowledge, was assimilated and all of his knowledge was with hte borg, Janeway's torpedo STILL managed to destroy the borg cube, thus showing the Transphasic Torpedo's destructive power.

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TazG
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Jul 26, 2007, 2:17 AM

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and we still have Genesis.

EDIT: and V'ger.

But both of these are weak considering the many things that can wipe out a whole solar system in minutes or seconds.

Why don't you guys just give up already.

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