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Did King Arthur exist?

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killer45116
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Mar 15, 2007, 8:30 PM

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For those who don't know, King Arthur was a man who became king by withdrawing a magic sword from a stone wedged in by the previous King, and it was only to be removed by the heir to the throne. We recently did an assignment in school finding if this man is fictional, or if he actually existed.

If you have no idea about the story, do some research, I'm expecting some of the poms to know a little about this guy, as he was (if he actually existed) the King of England.

Discuss.

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loner
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Mar 15, 2007, 9:24 PM

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I have really no doubt that he existed, but pulling a magical sword out of a boulder is highly unlikley.

Invidious
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Mar 15, 2007, 9:27 PM

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Wasn't there a movie a little while back portraying the King Arthur story as the historians really think it happened? Yeah, it had this hawt chick and some macho guys in it.

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Invidious
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I have really no doubt that he existed, but pulling a magical sword out of a boulder is highly unlikley.

Then again a city protected by the gods which was conquered with a wooden horse sounds highly unlikely, however that didn't stop Schliemann from discovering Troy.

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jamman
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Mar 15, 2007, 10:40 PM

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But you are missing something. A horse in which the Spartans could have hid in is a possible thing, while a boy being raised up by a wizard, pulls a sword from a stone, invades countries with the guidance of a wizard isn't.

So far as I recall, The battle of Troy was for a woman. Wars have been started on much less. And the wooden horse is a real possibility. The young-boy-raised-by-a-wizard-and-rules-everyone theory is not a real possibility.

Though Arthur might of existed, and merlin was probably nothing more than a witch doctor, the King Arthur didn't.

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Invidious
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Mar 15, 2007, 11:31 PM

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You totally missed my point.

My point was that you don't have to take legends literally. Millenia of poets, bards and writers twist things up for drama.

You're also leaving out a lot of the stuff in the Iliad, such as blessings of Gods, men that used masts to kill dozens of people at a time and stuff like how Troy burned for 7 years.

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Though Arthur might of existed, and merlin was probably nothing more than a witch doctor, the King Arthur didn't.

I thought that was what we were discussing... The true stuff about the Arthur story.

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jamman
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Mar 15, 2007, 11:50 PM

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So you can conclude from my post, I believe he did exist. It's kinda annoying I had to spell it out for you, though.

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Invidious
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Mar 16, 2007, 12:00 AM

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So you can conclude from my post, I believe he did exist. It's kinda annoying I had to spell it out for you, though.

Sorry, I guess I missed the first part of this:

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I have really no doubt that he existed, but pulling a magical sword out of a boulder is highly unlikley.

I guess that's what happens when you stay up too long... *scratches stubble*

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jeff13
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Mar 16, 2007, 7:00 AM

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Of course he existed! There was a Monty Python movie on him! And we all know Monty Python is never wrong!

killer45116
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Mar 16, 2007, 7:06 AM

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Yeah, but the thing is, perhaps Merlin was actually just a really wise man, and over time became portrayed as a wizard.

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Jindrak
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Mar 16, 2007, 7:34 AM

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Was there a King Arthur?
Yeah

Was his rule/existence anything like the myths?
Nope

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killer45116
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Mar 16, 2007, 5:01 PM

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But how can you be sure, though?

Damn, history is crazy.

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Programmer S
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Mar 16, 2007, 7:09 PM

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Was there a King Arthur?
Yeah

Was his rule/existence anything like the myths?
Nope

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Mar 16, 2007, 10:57 PM

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But how can you be sure, though?

That's the point. You can't. All you can do is draw conclusive evidence from the subject and make non-believers into believers.

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Mar 17, 2007, 1:24 AM

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Mar 17, 2007, 1:25 AM

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Mar 17, 2007, 9:03 AM

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I thought that the sword was given to him by the lady of the lake...is there two different swords? or two different stories?

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jamman
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Mar 20, 2007, 3:47 AM

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I thought that the sword was given to him by the lady of the lake...is there two different swords? or two different stories?

One sword. Excalibur. Which was probably given to him by a blacksmith woman who spent lots of time at a lake, or something.

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Shimrra
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Mar 21, 2007, 10:18 PM

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Wasn't there a movie a little while back portraying the King Arthur story as the historians really think it happened? Yeah, it had this hawt chick and some macho guys in it.

I just saw it recently. The only good thing about it was Keira Knightley playing some Woad Bitch or something.

And then there was silence.

Shinysheep
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Mar 22, 2007, 1:26 PM

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Ther si some evidenc that there was an arthur... but he wasnt a 'knight in shining armour, more likely he was a British warlord who held off the invadin saxons aroung the tyurn of the 6th century.

At kingship ceromonies in england during the 6th century BC, they would place the kings sword on a stone, which is where the 'sword in the ston' may of originated.

"...around the middle of the 6th century, surviving records show a large, atypical number of men named 'arthur', which suggests a sudden fashion for sons to be named after a famous and powerful man... The first recorded mention of Arthur occurs aronud 300 years after he would have lived, the last years of the 8th century AD, in Nennius's histories of England, where he does make much of this 'Arthur'. However, he never refers to him as a kingbut rather 'Dux Bellorum' the leader of battles, or warlord... "

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