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luffy 747
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Jul 4, 2008, 1:19 AM

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so since someone said it should have its own thread i am making one. who is for/against it and for what reasons?



Sneep
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Jul 4, 2008, 5:08 AM

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For, as long as it's managed properly.

We can eradicate/reduce the occurrence of a massive amount of hereditary problems, but it needs to be executed correctly (humanely).


fuego
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Jul 4, 2008, 11:35 AM

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I, for one, am FOR eugenics and I will present you with a few reasons and proceed to back them up. NOTE: I will be talking about Caucasian eugenics. Racism is not a part of this debate and I intend to keep it that way. Racism and supremacy are not the purpose of this.

OK, throughout history, there have been many great civilizations. At one time or another, they all fell. I will be working with a few examples. All of these civilizations fell for one reason: The creators disappeared. No, they didn’t just teleport away, they were lost through race mixing, death, and many other reasons, but it was all because they ceased to exist.
“A civilization will continue intact as long as the people, or race, who built that civilization, remain present. As soon as those originating people disappear, or are assimilated into a new racial group, then that original civilization will "fall" or become changed to reflect the new racial population make-up.”
This exact thing happened in Egypt, Greece, Rome, Portugal, and in North America. This happened in many other cases, but I only feel like elaborating on these current 5 (if you want more we can talk privately)

EGYPT
Egypt, although situated in North Africa, had been settled by three White groupings prior to 3500 BC, namely Old European Mediterranean types, Proto-Nordics and Nordic Indo-Europeans, with the latter group penetrating the territory as part of the great wave of Indo-European invasions which took place from 5600 BC onwards.
Racially speaking, the inhabitants of Egypt at this period in time were divided into three groups. Skeletal evidence from grave sites show that the original White Mediterraneans and Proto-Nordics were in a majority in the area - a well preserved body found in a sand grave in Egypt dating from approximately 3000 BC, on display in the British Museum in London, has even been nicknamed "Ginger" because of his red hair - a racial trait only found in persons of Nordic ancestry.
If you want to debate the races of Egypt, I will kill you. Skin color is not an indication of race, as the Caucasians of Egypt ranged from red to white skin. If you want to believe that Caucasians created Egypt, skip the next 3 paragraphs. If not, however, read them. You could also see these quotes: http://paste2.org/p/44815
Tutankhamen, the boy king (who died when he was 18) reigned around 1350 BC. Although he died too young to become a pharaoh of any great significance in his own time, he gained fame when his tomb was discovered virtually intact in 1924 (one of the few tombs to be found in such a good state - most had been the subject of grave robbers centuries before). It is the gold burial mask of Tutankhamen, which has come to symbolize ancient Egypt.

However, the real significance of the finds in Tutankhamen's tombs has been largely ignored: amongst Tutankhamen's possessions are some of the most graphic racial images in Egyptology. One of Tutankhamen's thrones, the ecclesiastical chair, has on its' footstool the "Nine Bows" - the Egyptian name for the traditional enemies of Egypt. The finely crafted figures on the footstool are of nine Blacks and Semites tied together in chains. Their positioning on the footstool was so that when the pharaoh sat on his throne, his enemies would be under his feet. Now, why would a Negro or Jew say that Jews and Negroes were their enemy? They wouldn’t! He also held a walking stick. The handle is made up of a bound Semite and a bound Black: so that when the Egyptian king went for a walk with his royal walking stick, he held the enemies of Egypt in his hand.
Clashes between the Egyptians and the Black Nubians had long been a feature of Egyptian history, with the first campaigns against the Nubians being launched by Old Kingdom pharaohs around 2900 BC. In 2570 BC, Pharaoh Sneferu launched a concerted attack upon Nubia. Egyptian records show that 70,000 prisoners were taken, a figure that must have been a staggering amount at the time. In 1296 BC Egypt conquered Nubia and built a series of massive forts to protect Egypt's southern borders against the Nubians, with the most famous of these being the fort at Buhen, that had walls which were 111 meters high and 4.5 meters thick. Along the banks of the southern Nile huge stones were erected upon which, in hieroglyphics still visible today, the passage of Blacks past those points was forbidden - the first public "Whites only" signs in history.
------ Now to the part where Negroes contributed to the fall of Egypt ------
In time the infusion of Negro blood worked itself up from the bottom of Egyptian society. The slaves were eventually FREEd, received political equality, and took posts of authority in government.
The course of racial developments in Egyptian history has been backed up by anthropological research. The British anthropologist G.M. Morant produced a comprehensive study of Egyptian skulls from commoner and royal graves from all parts of the Egyptian lands and times. His conclusions were that the majority of the population of Lower Egypt - that is in the Northern part of the country - were members of the (now virtually extinct) Mediterranean White sub-race. In the south (or Upper Egypt) this population pattern was repeated but this time showing a certain percentage of Black admixture (reflecting the proximity of the Nubian settlement). Significantly, Morant found that with the passage of time, the differentiation in skull types between Upper and Lower Egypt became less and less distinct, until ultimately they became indistinguishable - the surest sign of the absorption of the White sub-race into the growing non-White mass. (Race, John R. Baker, Oxford University Press, 1974, page 519).
After passing under Ethiopian, Assyrian and Persian rule, Egypt was finally occupied in 325 BC by the Greek Macedonian Alexander the Great (whose tribe was one of the original Indo-European invaders of the Greek peninsula).


GREECE AND ROME (I’m merging it to make it shorter)
The early White civilizations in Greece and Rome also fell to this process. The last great Grecian leader, Pericles, actually enacted a law in the year 451 BC limiting citizenship of the state by racial descent.
However, some 400 years later this law was changed as the population shifts had become more and more evident. Today there are significant genetic differences between many inhabitants of Greece and the original inhabitants of that country, although this change is not as complete as in a place such as Egypt.
Certain Roman leaders also tried to turn back the racial clock, but ultimately these efforts were also to be in vain - the sheer vastness of the Roman Empire meant that all sorts of races were included in its borders, and this heady brew ultimately led to the dissolution of the original Roman population, as described in detail in a later chapter of this book.
Those who occupy a territory, determine the nature of the society in that territory. This is an immutable law of nature which cannot be escaped. This is very principle upon which history is founded: history is a function of race.
*** FEWER THAN 5% OF ROME WAS ACTUALLY ROMAN 50AD ***


PORTUGAL
Populated by Caucasian stock, the nation of Portugal rose in four centuries to be the wealthiest most powerful country in the world. A great commercial and maritime power, it had large colonies in Asia, Africa, and America. Its seamen were the first to explore western Africa and they brought back hundreds of Negro slaves. By 1550, at the height of Portugal's power, one-tenth of its population were Negroes. Today, Portugal's population is described as one of the most homogeneous in Europe, having slowly absorbed the Negro gene pool. As of 1975 it had lost all of its outside territories. Its workers are the lowest paid in Europe and they have the highest rate of illiteracy and a high infant mortality rate. In terms of art, literature, music, science and philosophy the "new" Portugal has produced virtually nothing in 100 years and by most standards is the most backward nation in Europe.

NORTH AMERICA
Ah, I’m lazy. Just take my word for it: Whites overtook north America because the north American inhabitants were a very small percentage of the population. A civilization will continue intact as long as the people, or race, who built that civilization, remain present. The Amerind (American Indian) civilization died, and, in turn, a stronger civilization with more people took over.



Another reason why pro-white Eugenics should happen:
Most achievements have been made by whites. So many, that blacks claim them as their own! (http://www33.brinkster.com/iiiii/inventions/ is a great resource to check). Throughout 6,000 years of recorded history, the Pure-Blooded African Negro has invented nothing. Not a written language, weaved cloth, a calendar, a plow, a road, a bridge, a railway, a ship, a system of measurement, or even the wheel (the wheel had been in existence since the very earliest Stone Age era in Europe and the Middle East: yet it was unknown in Africa before 1500 AD). He is not known to have ever cultivated a single crop or domesticated a single animal for his own use (although many powerful and docile beasts abounded around him.) His only known means of transporting goods was on the top of his hard, burry head. For shelter he never progressed beyond the common mud hut, the construction of which a beaver or muskrat is capable.
The Caucasoid race, on the other hand, has crossed seas, harnessed rivers, carved mountains, tamed deserts, and colonized the most barren icefields. It has been responsible for the invention of the printing press, cement, the harnessing of electricity, flight, rocketry, astronomy, the telescope, space travel, firearms, the transistor, radio, television, the telephone, the lightbulb, photography, motion pictures, the phonograph, the electric battery, the automobile, the steam engine, railroad transportation, the microscope, computers, and millions of other technological miracles. It has discovered countless medical advances, incredible applications, scientific progress, etc. Its members have included such greats as Socrates, Aristotle, Plato, Homer, Tacitus, Julius Ceaser, Napoleon, William the Conqueror, Marco Polo, Washington, Jefferson, Hitler, Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, Magellan, Columbus, Cabot, Edison, GrahamBell, Pasteur, Leeuwenhoek, Mendel, Darwin, Newton, Galileo, Watt, Ford, Luther, Devinci, Poe, Tennyson, and thousands upon thousands of other notable achievers.
Why would you want to destroy that? Why would you want to bite the hand that feeds you? This isn’t luck, there are obvious differences between the Caucasian and Negroid brain, which I will list here:
· Among human races numerous studies have been made of the comparative weight of White and Negro brains with results that fell within the range of about an 8-12 percent lower weight for the Negro brain. Such studies have been conducted by Bean, Pearl, Vint, Tilney, Gordon, Todd, and others.
· In addition to the difference in brain weight, the Negro brain grows less after puberty than the white. Though the Negro brain and nervous system mature faster than the white brain, its development is arrested at an earlier age which limits further intellectual advancement.
· The thickness of the supragranular layer (the outside layer) of the Negro brain is about 15 percent thinner, and its convolutions are fewer and more simple, on average, than that of the White brain.
· The frontal lobes of the Negro brain, responsible for abstract conceptional reasoning, are smaller relative to body weight, less fissured, and less complex than those of the White brain.
· The offspring of interracial marriages tend to have lower I.Q.s than the white parent.
· The I.Q.'s of American Negroes are from 15 to 20 points, on average, below those of American Whites.
· American Indians, who often live in conditions far worse than American Blacks during their entire lives, still consistently outscore them on I.Q. tests.
Now, why would you want to fuse this together? Make everyone the same? Nobody is the same! Difference is great!
Also, the Negro doesn’t have the capability to create a nation or maintain it. Look at Africa for example, a third-world wasteland. On the other hand, look at Iceland:
Iceland, the only all-White nation in the world, has a literacy rate over 99%. It is an island of cooled volcanic magma, located just south of the Arctic Circle. It has no coal, no fuel, no timber, no mineral wealth or natural resources, and no navigable rivers. 75% of the interior is uninhabitable and only about 1% of the land is arable. It is the youngest nation in Europe and one of the most isolated countries in the world. Nonetheless, Iceland is #2 in the world in life expectancy and has one of the world's highest standards of living, in terms of per capita income. It has tremendous medical facilities and a thriving publishing business. It has the least amount of government corruption. Virtually every family has a telephone. Upon graduation from high school, each Icelandic student has learned five languages. It leads the world in the most Nobel Prize winners per capita.
Now, Africa is probably the most fertile land in the world, yet it only accounts for 3% of world trade. Explain this FGF, Explain it.


Now, do you believe?


jamman
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Jul 4, 2008, 4:12 PM

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Why would you want to destroy that? Why would you want to bite the hand that feeds you? This isn’t luck, there are obvious differences between the Caucasian and Negroid brain, which I will list here:
· Among human races numerous studies have been made of the comparative weight of White and Negro brains with results that fell within the range of about an 8-12 percent lower weight for the Negro brain. Such studies have been conducted by Bean, Pearl, Vint, Tilney, Gordon, Todd, and others.
· In addition to the difference in brain weight, the Negro brain grows less after puberty than the white. Though the Negro brain and nervous system mature faster than the white brain, its development is arrested at an earlier age which limits further intellectual advancement.
· The thickness of the supragranular layer (the outside layer) of the Negro brain is about 15 percent thinner, and its convolutions are fewer and more simple, on average, than that of the White brain.
· The frontal lobes of the Negro brain, responsible for abstract conceptional reasoning, are smaller relative to body weight, less fissured, and less complex than those of the White brain.
· The offspring of interracial marriages tend to have lower I.Q.s than the white parent.
· The I.Q.'s of American Negroes are from 15 to 20 points, on average, below those of American Whites.
· American Indians, who often live in conditions far worse than American Blacks during their entire lives, still consistently outscore them on I.Q. tests.


What.


Dr. Funk
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Jul 4, 2008, 4:43 PM

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Within reason, and with vigilant focus to detail. It is a field that could easily fall susceptible to corruption in management.


fuego
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Jul 5, 2008, 12:55 AM

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NOTE: I will be talking about Caucasian eugenics. Racism is not a part of this debate and I intend to keep it that way. Racism and supremacy are not the purpose of this.


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Why would you want to destroy that? Why would you want to bite the hand that feeds you? This isn’t luck, there are obvious differences between the Caucasian and Negroid brain, which I will list here:
· Among human races numerous studies have been made of the comparative weight of White and Negro brains with results that fell within the range of about an 8-12 percent lower weight for the Negro brain. Such studies have been conducted by Bean, Pearl, Vint, Tilney, Gordon, Todd, and others.
· In addition to the difference in brain weight, the Negro brain grows less after puberty than the white. Though the Negro brain and nervous system mature faster than the white brain, its development is arrested at an earlier age which limits further intellectual advancement.
· The thickness of the supragranular layer (the outside layer) of the Negro brain is about 15 percent thinner, and its convolutions are fewer and more simple, on average, than that of the White brain.
· The frontal lobes of the Negro brain, responsible for abstract conceptional reasoning, are smaller relative to body weight, less fissured, and less complex than those of the White brain.
· The offspring of interracial marriages tend to have lower I.Q.s than the white parent.
· The I.Q.'s of American Negroes are from 15 to 20 points, on average, below those of American Whites.
· American Indians, who often live in conditions far worse than American Blacks during their entire lives, still consistently outscore them on I.Q. tests.

What.

Are you insisting that science is racist? These are not opinions, these are facts. I could be the most racist person in the world, and these will be true. I could be the least racist person in the world, and these will be true.

Don't worry, it's rare to find someone that uses the words "racist" and "racism" correctly.


Pheylan
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Jul 5, 2008, 2:30 AM

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Way to cite your sources, buddy. When you're making arguments like those, you really need them or you're just going to be severely incredible and silly looking.


fuego
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Jul 5, 2008, 2:35 AM

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Quote what you want cited, and I'll do it...


Nightshiver
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Jul 5, 2008, 3:31 AM

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he names scientists (i think)

but its is true.. there are advantages and disadvantages in every race..

BUT! im not gonna get into this one.. its fun watching so far Smile


TazG
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Jul 5, 2008, 3:56 AM

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Way to cite your sources, buddy.

He ripped the entire thing from white-history.com and http://www.duke.org/library/race/african101facts.html. Only the latter gives sources and they're all obscure books from decades ago whose authors turn out to be crackpots upon googling their names for a few minutes.

fuego, stop pretending


jamman
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Jul 5, 2008, 5:18 AM

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So we've all concluded feugo is a Kidd_Rune wannabe.


fuego
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Jul 5, 2008, 6:00 AM

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So we've all concluded feugo is a Kidd_Rune wannabe.

Unimpressed


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Way to cite your sources, buddy.

He ripped the entire thing from white-history.com and http://www.duke.org/library/race/african101facts.html. Only the latter gives sources and they're all obscure books from decades ago whose authors turn out to be crackpots upon googling their names for a few minutes.
fuego, stop pretending

No, not really. Tell me, what has the flood-blooded negro accomplished?

Thought of anything?

Nothing, nothing at all. Sure, you can ignore the facts, but history will NEVER change. The Negro hasn't contributed 1/2 of what the Caucasian has and that, TazG, is something that can be easily proven.

The negro has yet to create a prosperous civilization but the Caucasian created Egypt, Rome, Greece, the British Empire, the Portugese and Spanish Empires, The USA, and pretty much all great civilizations.

A 1/2 Caucasian, 1/2 Mongol/Negro wouldn't be allowed in Iceland. Iceland fully supports Eugenics and it's WORKING. Even if Iceland is at a deficit with no natural resources, it's better than any African country.



Also, crackpots you say? What about William Shockley? He made the Transistor, the 'most important invention of the 20th century.'
He was also a firm believer in Eugenics and won a Nobel Prize. He saw that the Negroes weren't the same as white. He saw that they didn't invent the wheel, clothes, or anything else.

You can believe whatever you want TazG, but the truth will always be there for those who want to believe it.

The full-blooded Negro is 200,000 years behind the Caucasian in development, and that can't be changed.


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Yes, race is just a skin color. I couldn't tell that these people were actually Negroes....[/sarcasm]


coolgreencat
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Jul 5, 2008, 6:10 AM

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Egyptians weren't Caucasians, they were middle eastern. The only reason they had different skin color is because they were separated by the Sahara, and skin color was the ONLY thing that changed.


TazG
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Jul 5, 2008, 6:25 AM

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history will NEVER change

neither will the fact that your entire post is nothing but plagiarized biased bullshit


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He made the Transistor,

oh, he must be a biological expert, then.


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Tell me,

nope, you're the one making wild claims, and you're the one who's responsible for proof - common trait of people who suck at debating: asking everyone else to prove you wrong instead of backing yourself up.

if all you know how to do is copy and paste, stop posting.

dumbass.


(This post was edited by TazG on Jul 5, 2008, 6:26 AM)


Sneep
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Jul 5, 2008, 7:22 AM

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So we've all concluded feugo is a Kidd_Rune wannabe.


It's Kidd..


Jindrak
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Jul 5, 2008, 2:57 PM

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So we've all concluded feugo is a Kidd_Rune wannabe.


It's Kidd..

The one-sided racist arguments gave it away really.


(This post was edited by Jindrak on Jul 5, 2008, 3:38 PM)


Sneep
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So we've all concluded feugo is a Kidd_Rune wannabe.


It's Kidd..

The one-sided racist arguments gave it away really.


I've known since he registered.

 
 
 


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