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TazG
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Nov 16, 2006, 12:29 AM

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*reads some stuff*



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I just don't agree with having to worship an super natural being. People would be much better off just living their lives by such philosophies


Then how do you define "worship"? What it means is to show devotion to. Devoting your life to rules set by God = worshipping God.





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Religious Believer: Well where did the matter that caused the Big Bang come from?
Scientist: Well where did God come from?
In Unison: They both have always been there!
In Unison: ...crap


MAJOR difference: Matter is natural, God is supernatural. According to nature's already proven laws, everything natural has a beginning and an end, therefore everything had something else to create it, yet natural components could not have done so (they have a birth and death; cannot create themselves) - supernatural creation is the only logical option.





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If you REALLY think about it without much bias, you can see how illogical a God that controls/creates everything is.


Peach Pit, you are in no position to criticize coolgreencat for not elaborating.





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God doesn't forgive anyone ... Now Jesus on the other hand...


You shouldn't be in this thread as you obviously don't have a very good idea of what you're talking about.





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Noah's ark? Wtf


K, I have a bit to say about that.

Theory: There was a worldwide disaster of some sort in the distant past (this is pretty much accepted by everybody).
Fact: Fossils need water to survive. They also need to be buried very quickly so they don't get destroyed over time by corrosion.
Theory: There was a worldwide flood that lasted long enough and had enough pressure to saturate the underground and bury the dead in mud, where their fossils were preserved until archaeologists discovered them hundreds of years later. This is just as plausible (or more plausible as far as I'm concerned) as the theory that a meteor hit the earth.
Fact: Remains of wooden planks and such have been discovered scattered around the mountain on which the ark reportedly landed on top of when the water level lowered.

As for fitting enough animals on it, you might be misled by the fact that modern science has a very complex organization system, and there are billions of species. But it's silly to assume that "two of every kind" includes all of these minor differences among each kind. At most, there would only be several thousand that would have actually needed to be preserved... and considering that they all could have been quite small since there was no reason to take full-grown adults, the ark had more than enough room to accomodate them. The specs of the ship were recorded very thoroughly and precisely and were about exactly the required size. I saw this calculated on a website once. In fact - if I'm not mistaken - it also used architectural techniques way beyond its time... were Noah and his family great inventors who were never given any credit, or was the design supernaturally inspired?

Lastly you may be wondering why animals are all over the planet right now if they were all taken to one mountain. First of all, they had LOTS of time to get where they are now. Hundreds of years. And why wouldn't they? They want to get to a climate where they are comfortable, and get away from their predators. As for crossing water - well, there have been times in recent history where dead islands were somehow colonized by land creatures. I don't know how it works, but obviously it does. Also remember, this was a long long time ago. What about land bridges and continental drift?

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Invidious
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Nov 16, 2006, 12:33 AM

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There's two sides to this debate:
Big boom theory, where all the gases and space matter formed the earth, or the religious side, where god built the earth in seven days. I personally side with the religious side.

First it's BIG BANG Thery, secondly, I believe in the big bang and I believe in god.


Ive seen some of the most hard core athiest get down on their knees and pray to god. Because when it realy gets down to it. Even a 4 year old knows theres such thing as god.


You'll excuse me for saying this but you're an idiot. Your arguments are weak. You present nothing in terms of actual material to think about and convince other people through logic.

A four-year-old knowing there's a God? That's completely based on both the genetics of that four-year-old and the environment it's been brought up in.

If the child was brought up in a God-fearing environment in a peaceful society then it'll believe in God, but he/she is simply young. It "believes" it doesn't "know" anything. Saying a four-year-old knows anything is simply weak. The only thing a four-year-old actually knows is what his/her parents tell it.

Then again, if a genetically cynical child was brought up by atheist parents then it wouldn't believe in God.


What kind of real evidence would I need? There is practically no evidence that someone can shoot down and replace it with a fact of their own beliefs.


And by a four year old, I mean to say the deep conscience of the human mind, The one that tells them that their is a god.
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The deep conscience? How does the mind of a four-year-old represent the "deep conscience" of the human mind? The Four-year-old mind is innocent yet biased based on how it was brought up. Basing something on the four-year-old mind is just weak.


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TazG
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Nov 16, 2006, 12:35 AM

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What he means has nothing to do with the "mind" (as in the brain).


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Invidious
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Nov 16, 2006, 12:35 AM

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Thats called faith.

People with faith usually happier than those with none.


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Shimrra
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Nov 16, 2006, 1:26 AM

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There's two sides to this debate:
Big boom theory, where all the gases and space matter formed the earth, or the religious side, where god built the earth in seven days. I personally side with the religious side.


However what is "Seven Days" to God?

It's written somewhere in the bibble that a day to the lord is like a thousand years on earth or something similar to that.


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jamman
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Nov 16, 2006, 1:49 AM

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There's two sides to this debate:
Big boom theory, where all the gases and space matter formed the earth, or the religious side, where god built the earth in seven days. I personally side with the religious side.


However what is "Seven Days" to God?

It's written somewhere in the bibble that a day to the lord is like a thousand years on earth or something similar to that.


You know, it says the exact same thing in the Koran.


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Nov 16, 2006, 5:39 AM

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I'm going with the religious approach on this one. It seems like everything in this world was meant to maintain life, that, or organisms adapted to their surroundings.


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Peach Pit
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Nov 16, 2006, 7:19 AM

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Think. "Love Thy Neighbor" "Feed The Hungry", do they not all reflect the same message? However you should know that they come from two completely different texts, the first one from the Bible, and the latter from the Koran. These two religions are quite different yes? However do they not say the same things? Are they not based on the same ideals? Look around the world and you'll see the same essential ideals reflected in different languages.


Divine infuence isn't the only real conclusion you can come to. People have the same ideas all the time, just the fact/notion that a moral conscience guides you to this differs... But from what you said, you believe that God is that moral conscience, or is it just guilt?


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If you REALLY think about it without much bias, you can see how illogical a God that controls/creates everything is.


Peach Pit, you are in no position to criticize coolgreencat for not elaborating.



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I had to go to Shrimp Cocktail...

Anyways, I feel I have been brought up without a ton of atheist bias. I was brought up Roman Catholic, got confirmed, and then just decided for myself that in more of a realist world, a supernatural entity shouldn't exist. The main basis Catholics use for their God is the Bible. A collection of 'stories' or 'factual accounts' that are put together to give basis for our faith. Many other stories/accounts were considered, many of the same occurrences/events, many unique events, were not put into the Bible. You can read these extra stories at the Vatican, but most of them are much dryer and less 'flashy'.

FYI, a Myth is a story that is exaggerated greatly, so that people can understand it's meaning or moral. In native Canada, elders would create myths about a great turtle that carried land on it's back, swimming in and endless void or water and sky. It is all about a woman who fell from the sky and caused the world to be created. Most of you, I assume, would find this completely absurd?!?! But then, in the Bible, God takes a rib out of Adam and creates Eve!

But of course, in religion class we learn about reading within the context. The whole story about Adam and Eve and the rib, might not exactly have happened that way. Which does make perfect sense, It's an analogy or 'parable' (Where else have we seen parables?) to help us understand that God created the world. He might not have done it the way recorded, it's just simplified to help people understand. But then I thought, what if God was just a simplification or analgoy to help us understand ourselves, and the world around us? What if God is just a 'boogie man' style story, preventing little kids from stealing cookies, preventing men from stealing anything. What if the notion of a God is just to keep us in line?

Now, I totally agree with the 10 Commandments, the other cornerstone of Catholics. They are some good ideas. But, imagine, some guy just walked down from the mountain and told you what to do and how to live your lives. Not many of you, I hope, would listen. He is just a man, who does he think he is?? But look now, GOD sent this list down from the mountain. It's a simplified way to get people to listen to good ideas.

Religion is just a tool used for getting people the right ideas in their head, being a good person. I have no qualms with people who follow a religion, it helps them be a good person. But I feel that you can be a good person without believing in God.


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TazG
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Nov 16, 2006, 7:33 AM

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Anyways, I feel I have been brought up without a ton of atheist bias. I was brought up Roman Catholic, got confirmed, and then just decided for myself that in more of a realist world, a supernatural entity shouldn't exist.

Sorry, but if you base your conclusion against a supernatural entity on the deficiencies of catholicism, then you are biased. Catholic beliefs are easy to refute - it's annoying how every time there's a debate over the supernatural, someone always equates it with a distorted idea of christianity and thinks they have made a valid argument by saying something that only applies to catholicism. It's called the straw man argument.


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Peach Pit
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Nov 16, 2006, 7:35 AM

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it's annoying how every time there's a debate over the supernatural, someone always equates it with a distorted idea of christianity and thinks they have made a valid argument by saying something that only applies to catholicism. It's called the straw man argument.


I just used the most widespread religions beliefs as an example to prove my point. Sorry for specifying, next time I will go through each religion ever created.


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Nov 16, 2006, 7:50 AM

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There are definitely MORE than two sides to the debate. Although there can be black and white answers (Yes, I believe in God or No, I don't believe in God), the reasons and motives behind both answers are not as definite.

Personally, I think that the Big Bang theory is incorrect. However, I don't think that everything was just massively and instantaneously created by some sort of all-powerful super-being. If you've never grown up with the concept of religion, it would seem ridiculous.

((begin personal story here))

I was presented with a choice (sort of). My parents did not force beliefs upon me when I was young, and I did not know of religion or what people believed in. I didn't even think about it. Then I was put into a Catholic school as a third grader and I stayed there for 5 years. I think that my sudden exposure to religion and related matters caused me to eventually reject it.

Around the beginning of 8th grade I was unsure of what I believed in. For awhile I believed in reincarnation until I decided that it didn't make sense. I eventually settled upon atheism, after considering both sides thoroughly. And upon further personal developments and thoughts, this is where I stand today.

((end personal story))

I'll continue later, I have too much homework.


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TazG
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Nov 16, 2006, 7:51 AM

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Let's cut off the second half of the sentence then:


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it's annoying how every time there's a debate over the supernatural, someone always equates it with ... christianity


Point being, religion is inconsequential. You can sit around criticizing the people who believe in the supernatural all day, without adding anything to the actual debate of whether it exists.


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Peach Pit
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Nov 16, 2006, 7:56 AM

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Point being, religion is inconsequential. You can sit around criticizing the people who believe in the supernatural all day, without adding anything to the actual debate of whether it exists.


People who have a religion are generally the ones who believe in God. If nobody believed in God(religiously), there wouldn't be a need to make up one. Thats because I think that God was made up to keep people in line. If the religions didn't exist, God wouldn't have been made up, see?


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TazG
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Nov 16, 2006, 8:02 AM

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That doesn't make sense. Religions are obviously based on the belief that God exists. If you're trying to say that religions were made up first and then God was added in afterwards then I think I'll just stop reading your posts - please research your ideas...


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Pheylan
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Nov 16, 2006, 8:03 AM

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That's just silly conjecture on your part. And it will continue to be until you can cite some sources that back up your assumptions on the formations of religions and the idea of God in ancient history.


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Peach Pit
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Nov 16, 2006, 8:10 AM

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So.. Taz can stop reading now...


Silly conjecture it is. But again, it works both ways, it's not like you can cite sources that God comes before religion.


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coolgreencat
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Nov 16, 2006, 8:33 AM

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People still think that by god, we mean a man in heaven. Yes, that is an easy way to put god, but thats not who god is. God, is nor male or female. Got is an entity that has made everything has always been and always will be. People try over and over again to over ride god with science. When alot of time science plays a large roll in proving god further.


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Jindrak
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where did that atom come from?



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it always has been


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jabman
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Nov 16, 2006, 9:12 AM

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The true question is not "Is there a god?" It's, "How did the universe happen?"

At this, we are stuck in a paradox, just like life.


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coolgreencat
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Nov 16, 2006, 9:32 AM

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The true question is not "Is there a god?" It's, "How did the universe happen?"

At this, we are stuck in a paradox, just like life.

No , im pretty sure im asking if there is a god.


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el nish
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Nov 16, 2006, 9:35 AM

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LoL.


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Pheylan
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Nov 16, 2006, 12:04 PM

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Silly conjecture it is. But again, it works both ways, it's not like you can cite sources that God comes before religion.


I never said anything at all to that effect. I don't have to prove anything that I am not venturing forth.


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BigEasy
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Nov 16, 2006, 12:08 PM

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I do believe in God. Although, I incorporate science into religion often. Ex: I believe God makes the scientific explanations we have, (e.g. God created Evolution.)


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RE Tazg and Peach Pit.
Religion is stupid, immature, arrogant, dangerous, and pathetic a way for crazy assed losers to vent thier frustrations at the evil blacks/gays/infidels.
Spirtualism(I don't mean wicca and paganism.)/Agnostic Theism/Non-religous Theism/Diesm is a respectable belief.
You'll notice a difference. Spirtual People are general more content, and care less about whats wrong with other people. Relgious people (fundemtalist christains in my experiance) are usally jerks, pick on people, and consider people who disagree with them sub-human.


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Pheylan
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RE Tazg and Peach Pit.
Religion is stupid, immature, arrogant, dangerous, and pathetic a way for crazy assed losers to vent thier frustrations at the evil blacks/gays/infidels.
Spirtualism(I don't mean wicca and paganism.)/Agnostic Theism/Non-religous Theism/Diesm is a respectable belief.
You'll notice a difference. Spirtual People are general more content, and care less about whats wrong with other people. Relgious people (fundemtalist christains in my experiance) are usally jerks, pick on people, and consider people who disagree with them sub-human.


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I think people too often forget that God is not religion but a spiritual bond.



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