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coolgreencat
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Nov 20, 2006, 10:37 AM

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What now, God?

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your an idiot

And now I shall reply to gre dorks reply a ways up because in too lazy to do it the right way.

It's not god fualt that theres hunger. It's mans.

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TazG
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Nov 21, 2006, 2:50 AM

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From what I understand, Biblical and Scientific theories have a lot in common. The Old Testament however was written by early Jews who had no understanding of Science.

There are no "biblical theories" but yes it does support science and the fact that the people who wrote it had no idea of the science we understand today is evidence that the text wasn't inspired by human minds. There's even some science in the Bible that has only been discovered in the past 30 years or so (it was like about birds flying on heat waves or something like that). Other examples are the description of how wind travels and the earth being referred to as a sphere.

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Catholics believe that to fully receive God, we have to eat him.

This is why I hate people attacking catholics in these arguments, as if they represent the views of intelligent debaters.

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zig2ag
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Nov 21, 2006, 5:42 AM

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From what I understand, Biblical and Scientific theories have a lot in common. The Old Testament however was written by early Jews who had no understanding of Science.

By "biblical theory" obviously I am referring to the Creation story and other significant and explanatory parts of Genesis. The similarities I was referring to were a lot simpler, for example, the Big Bang near the start of the universe as we know it just as God created light on the first day. The big bang, a massive explosion, would be associated with light.

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Catholics believe that to fully receive God, we have to eat him.

This is why I hate people attacking Catholics in these arguments, as if they represent the views of intelligent debaters.

Catholic beliefs are the only ones I know well. I was raised as a Catholic, and decided myself that which teachings to believe and which to throw away. I still am Catholic, an nowhere in that point did I attack Catholics as a whole. Yes, some Catholic beliefs are stupid, there's no getting away from that. There is no chance that we are made in God's image; we have no idea what God looks like. The other thing about the Bible and Catholicism, probably in all faiths, I wouldn't know, is that there are loads of double meanings. Do you think that the Earth was really made in 7 days? Was Lot's wife really turned into a pillar of sand for looking at Sodom? In the Jewish bible Daniel kills a dragon, which was worshipped as a God. Do Jews really believe that happened? The Bible is made up of many different books, some of which are historical, some poetic and some metaphorical. Writers may have played guessing GAMES and tried to logically fill in pieces they didn't know. Up until the time when Genesis was written, things were passed on by word of mouth, and so were obviously changed over time.

I was not attacking Catholics. I see myself as a Catholic. I was arguing against those who take everything they read in the Bible literally.

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TazG
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Nov 21, 2006, 6:04 AM

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Writers may have played guessing GAMES and tried to logically fill in pieces they didn't know. Up until the time when Genesis was written, things were passed on by word of mouth, and so were obviously changed over time. "Just because it's in a book it doesn't make it true."

If there is evidence that the text wasn't inspired by human minds does it make sense to say this? And you are wrong about "obvious changes" and "filling in" - everything can be traced back to original documents that still exist, there is nothing added or removed in official translations. And it isn't quite "open to interpretation" as some people think. It just looks that way because the English translations are sometimes vague; the original languages actually use more words than English does, and it's very, very specific. And just because something isn't included in "the scriptures" doesn't mean there's nothing else out there except word of mouth. Genesis was the official first entry to what is now known as the Bible. There are many outside resources that can be cross-referenced with any book in the Bible making it as authentic as any respectable history book you might find in a library.

I hope you realize though that all of this is off-topic. Although proving the Bible would obviously prove God, the arguments you made have nothing to do with what we're really supposed to be debating which is simply whether God exists.

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nadkicker69
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Nov 23, 2006, 10:36 PM

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Of course there is a God. Well, there's a higher power up there worth worshipping, at least. Anyone who says otherwise has better come up with something better than an unsupported "Big Bang!". Yeah, I can "Big Bang" you up the ass with a ballbat, but that doesn't prove anything other than that you can bleed a lot out your anus and has nothing to do with religion but it's fun to watch a grown man scream and cry and bleed and maybe even get infected and die from an anal wound. Woah. Grisly...

I do believe that there is a higher power up there responsible for most, if not all of the happenings of the world in the past, along with its creation. My drug of choice is Christianity. After reading the Bible and researching most of it (like trying to find proof), I find a lot of scientific evidence supporting most of what was written in the Bible.

Also, reading from what was (or wasn't said) in Genesis (Book of the Bible for those who didn't know), is that I also believe in life in other worlds. Sure, he made the world in 6 days and rested, but that didn't mean he stopped. I'm envisioning a world of people similar to the anime catchicks at the moment ^^. Erm, that's for another subject, though.

Yes, I believe that there is a higher power up there - call him or her what you want - that's responsible for the creation of the world, animals, people, blah blah blah.

It's interesting how Aethists discuss how God is flawed and all that when they're not supposed to believe in said God. What's your real belief, people? I thought you were all scientific and stuff?

I also love it when people said "I have proof!". The only way you can "prove" anything is by actually being there at the time, and I don't see that happening unless you made a time machine or something.

Who's to say who's right, anyway? It's not like the Christian, if he's right, is gonna come down to you and say "I told ya so!". Sometimes, I wonder why people argue over things that nobody can prove...

Ah well, here's my two cents. Read it!

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coolgreencat
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Nov 24, 2006, 2:20 AM

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Yes, but I wasn't entirely sure about the bible myself. I mean, I believe some of it but I thought things like a little boy beating up a giant were kind of far fetched.....

Anyway , I'm Christian too.

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neocloud101
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Nov 24, 2006, 3:56 AM

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Sure, they're propagandic and nationalist and really don't know it, but they have good intentions. Well... Some of them, at any rate.

That's not a logical fallacy at all.

Well, I could say that's a bit exaggerated, but seriously, I'm in America. Most Republicans there are totally nationalist without knowing it. A LOT of propaganda, that I'm completely sure about. But I don't like the other side either. Most Democrats are totally convinced that the government's out to get them. That's totally stupid. That's like the hippie season. Rebellion to those guys is standing around, listening to music and smoking weed.

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Pheylan
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Nov 24, 2006, 4:20 AM

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America is not made up of political stereotypes, though. I am America too, you know.

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nadkicker69
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Nov 24, 2006, 4:25 AM

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One of the themes of the Bible is "Nothing's impossible with God". You can also say that parting the Red Sea was far fetched, or unpotable water becoming drinkable and tasty, or even the Crucification and Resurrection would be far fetched, but most believe in that.

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neocloud101
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Nov 24, 2006, 4:34 AM

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America is not made up of political stereotypes, though. I am America too, you know.

I know that. But I guess political stereotyping is not there with people who just really don't care. But like, in California, political stereotyping is pretty high.

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MetalLover
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Nov 24, 2006, 8:04 AM

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To Christians:
If God is all-knowing, all-powerful, and exists outside of time, why did he set up the garden of edan if he KNEW that Adam and Eve were going to [Expletive Deleted]it up?
Why didn't he put them in a place were they would choose the right thing?

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TazG
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Nov 24, 2006, 9:06 AM

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Because building a universe without anybody giving a crap about it is pointless, and people can't be forced to "care" because then it wouldn't be genuine. He made people, showed them what was theirs, then made a rule. The rule's only purpose was to present a choice. If your parents forced everything on you, you would never learn anything and it would be impossible for them to feel appreciated. Hence the term "God's children".

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Katiuscaa
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Nov 24, 2006, 11:25 PM

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hey, you are NOT a doktor

TazG
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Nov 25, 2006, 1:46 AM

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giant ... far fetched

But a "giant" isn't a 100-foot tall monster that crushes cities. Read this footnote.

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Hebrew 6 cubits and 1 span [which totals about 9.75 feet or 3 meters]; Dead Sea Scrolls and Greek version read 4 cubits and 1 span [which totals about 6.75 feet or 2 meters].

And, according to my 5-minute research, there is a condition called gigantism - here is a video of a giant.

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TazG
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Nov 25, 2006, 2:59 AM

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I searched some more and found a much better resource.

Watch this, starting at around 50 minutes in. "The Smithsonian has been very active in hiding discoveries about giants, because it goes against the evolution theory." This is really interesting stuff here.

EDIT: I'm still not finished watching the entire video, and there's a lot in here I haven't heard of before. I had no idea that the evolution theory was as big of a disgrace to science as it is.

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coolgreencat
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Nov 25, 2006, 3:45 AM

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giant ... far fetched

But a "giant" isn't a 100-foot tall monster that crushes cities. Read this footnote.

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Hebrew 6 cubits and 1 span [which totals about 9.75 feet or 3 meters]; Dead Sea Scrolls and Greek version read 4 cubits and 1 span [which totals about 6.75 feet or 2 meters].

And, according to my 5-minute research, there is a condition called gigantism - here is a video of a giant.

Interesting. In everything i've seen he's actually a huge giant. But ma bey most people misinterpret that , or create interesting stories by stretching the truth.

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coolgreencat
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Nov 25, 2006, 3:46 AM

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I believe in the resurrection for sure, water thing sure. But those are all miracles that jesus did. Not things that had nothing to do with him.

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TazG
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Nov 25, 2006, 3:54 AM

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Interesting. In everything i've seen he's actually a huge giant.

Artists also draw a halo thing behind Jesus and make him perfectly groomed with shiny supermodel skin like the picture Kat posted. This is how he was really described in the Bible: "He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him." --Isaiah 53:2

Monstrous Goliath and Beautiful Jesus are just symbolism in art.

Did you look at the thing on google video?

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coolgreencat
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Nov 25, 2006, 4:02 AM

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Interesting. In everything i've seen he's actually a huge giant.

Ya, kind of like making hell look like a giant oven.

And, not yet, I just got back from visiting family for thanks giving and I wanted to catch up on some post, and get some rest. Mabey in a half an hour.

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coolgreencat
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Nov 26, 2006, 5:46 AM

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I watched about half of the video so far. It seems pretty solid, but the people in the audience look amazed how scientific he spoke.

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Shinysheep
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Nov 26, 2006, 8:38 AM

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there is a god:

Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis ad capul tuum saxum immane mittam.

coolgreencat
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Nov 26, 2006, 9:16 AM

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Where the hell did you get that?

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MetalLover
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Nov 26, 2006, 9:37 AM

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But he knew they would screw up.
The still had FREE choice.
Why couldn't be change the curcumstances so they would make the right choice?
Reverse what you said. Eaither way, he rigged the system.

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TazG
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Nov 26, 2006, 9:42 AM

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You misunderstand. If your parents locked you in your room so you couldn't possibly make a foolish decision and get yourself in trouble, you would still have the FREEdom to do as you wish, in your room, but you would still be trapped in your room and you would hate your parents.

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MetalLover
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But if they knew exactly what you were going to do, and they put you in a system that you would fail in, its the same concept.

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