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Is there a god?

 

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coolgreencat
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Dec 11, 2006, 11:18 AM

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There's two sides to this debate:
Big boom theory, where all the gases and space matter formed the earth, or the religious side, where god built the earth in seven days. I personally side with the religious side.

Actually, that's just the Christian theory on it. I believe that the Big Bang could've happened, but I think it was God Himself who caused it.

I mean seriously, what says that Science has to be contradicting to religion and vice versa?


Because I have never heard of a religion, thank thinks god caused the Big Bang to make earth.


Most people have learned to cope with science and add it to religion to "meet in the middle"


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TazG
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Dec 12, 2006, 1:58 AM

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Stop talking about God vs. Science. There is no such thing. They don't contradict each other.

If you catch something before it hits the ground, have you contradicted the law of gravity? No, you simply intervened.

If you think you need to make a compromise in beliefs to allow God and Science to co-exist, you might as well say that you need more faith to believe that you can stop something from hitting the ground.

It actually takes more faith to believe that nature can't possibly be affected by anything other than nature than it does to believe that there is such a thing as the supernatural.


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coolgreencat
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Dec 12, 2006, 8:22 AM

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So your saying that science and God can't co exist?


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TazG
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Dec 12, 2006, 9:25 AM

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...No, that's the opposite of what I'm saying.

I said they DO co-exist and don't contradict each other. You DON'T need to change your beliefs to make them "meet in the middle".


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developed binary code travelling the speed of intellectual property
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coolgreencat
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Dec 12, 2006, 9:29 AM

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Well that guy in the video explained a lot of that- but that dinosaur dragon part and the earth only being 2000 years old is a little over kill.


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TazG
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Dec 12, 2006, 10:19 AM

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It's more like 6000 years. If you think there's a problem with those two conclusions then you must believe that:
  • the earth is billions of years old
  • dinosaurs lived in a different era than humans.
    Because, if those things aren't true, there is nothing far-fetched about those conclusions at all. (If humans lived in the same era as dinosaurs they were probably referring to dinosaurs when they mentioned "dragons".)
    So can you explain in your own words why you believe these things, or have you just heard it so many times that you think it's true?


    a brilliant Japanese cryptographer/physicist
    developed binary code travelling the speed of intellectual property
    in Ireland.

    (This post was edited by TazG on Dec 12, 2006, 10:20 AM)


  • coolgreencat
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    Dec 12, 2006, 10:42 AM

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    Ive seen my share of fossil evidence and the earths layers tell us that it's at least 2 billion years old, ( its 4 billion years old{according to most})


    Also, They could have live with some dinosaurs, but not T rex'es or any larger than that.


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    loner
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    Dec 12, 2006, 10:57 AM

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    Ive seen my share of fossil evidence and the earths layers tell us that it's at least 2 billion years old, ( its 4 billion years old{according to most})

    According to whom? Who says that layers of earth didnt form faster back in the day?


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    coolgreencat
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    Dec 12, 2006, 11:13 AM

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    Scientist and my school teachers.


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    loner
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    Dec 12, 2006, 12:07 PM

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    Scientist and my school teachers.

    Scientists have been proven wrong MANY times in history.
    Dont even get me started on schoolteachers.


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    Athlon XP
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    Dec 12, 2006, 2:32 PM

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    Scientist and my school teachers.


    *bursts out laughing*

    You would do VERY well to just shut your mouth right now. Seriously.


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    coolgreencat
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    Dec 12, 2006, 2:43 PM

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    Scientist and my school teachers.


    *bursts out laughing*

    You would do VERY well to just shut your mouth right now. Seriously.

    I'm sorry, but I'm just stating a fact. I'm certainly not going to hear it from priest or my parents am I?


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    Athlon XP
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    Dec 12, 2006, 2:47 PM

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    Scientists have been proven wrong MANY times in history.
    Dont even get me started on schoolteachers.


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    So can you explain in your own words why you believe these things, or have you just heard it so many times that you think it's true?



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    Athlon XP
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    Dec 12, 2006, 2:48 PM

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    Where did god come from? ;_;


    He didn't.


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    coolgreencat
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    Dec 12, 2006, 2:57 PM

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    Where did god come from? ;_;


    He didn't.


    _
    It didn't for me, but think as gods being as a circle of (_)


    Ya, It didn't help me either.


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    TazG
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    Dec 12, 2006, 11:26 PM

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    Ive seen my share of ... schoolteachers

    Thank you for proving my point.


    a brilliant Japanese cryptographer/physicist
    developed binary code travelling the speed of intellectual property
    in Ireland.


    coolgreencat
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    Dec 12, 2006, 11:32 PM

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    Ive seen my share of ... schoolteachers

    Thank you for proving my point.

    I'm sorry, but if the earth were 4,000 years old, then all the generations of fossils they have found would have to squeeze in, in that time period.


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    Athlon XP
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    Dec 13, 2006, 7:54 AM

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    6,000, son.


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    coolgreencat
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    Dec 13, 2006, 8:21 AM

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    6,000, son.

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    Ok sorry 6000, but ive seen so much proof...I guess you could be right, but I don't believe that the earth is only 6000. years old


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    TazG
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    Dec 14, 2006, 4:59 AM

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    Thank you for proving my point.

    I'm sorry, but if the earth were 4,000 years old, then all the generations of fossils they have found would have to squeeze in, in that time period.

    Who said you need a billion years to fit them? Who said they even represent generations at all?

    Oh yeah, schoolteachers.

    See what I mean?

    You've not seen evidence yourself. YOU have not researched and discovered reasonable explanations. You can't explain it in your own words. You just assumed it to be correct.

    "For example Australopithecus. There's a whole bunch of those listed in that list of "notable" fossils, which is pretty sad since they were proven years ago to be just regular apes existing today. And Nutcracker man is also an australopithecus. It's funny how many of the most complete fossils tend to be the ones that are disproven. Have you considered that perhaps the others are too incomplete to prove anything either way? As for the skulls closer to modern humans, the fact that they are different than regular humans doesn't prove that they were half-ape at all. Look at a baby skull. Look at a 5-year-olds skull. Look at a teenager's skull. Look at a 30-year-olds skull. Look at a 100-year-olds skull. They're all different. If humans' lifespans were 5 or 10 times longer in the past, those features would keep growing. A human skull with vague ape-ish features could simply be a human that died around the age of 500 or 800. Recently it has been discovered that "homo habilis" and "erectus" lived at the same time (but in different places) and "neanderthal" was discovered in the same place as modern human bones. These fossils are no proof at all. They're mostly just apes from fairly recent times." --TazG

    There is no way to determine how old things are based on where they are found. It's based on an imaginary assumption, and these facts and more show how that assumption holds no validity at all.


    a brilliant Japanese cryptographer/physicist
    developed binary code travelling the speed of intellectual property
    in Ireland.


    12bye
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    Dec 14, 2006, 5:00 AM

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    Thank you for proving my point.

    I'm sorry, but if the earth were 4,000 years old, then all the generations of fossils they have found would have to squeeze in, in that time period.

    Who said you need a billion years to fit them? Who said they even represent generations at all?

    Oh yeah, schoolteachers.

    See what I mean?

    You've not seen evidence yourself. YOU have not researched and discovered reasonable explanations. You can't explain it in your own words. You just assumed it to be correct.

    "For example Australopithecus. There's a whole bunch of those listed in that list of "notable" fossils, which is pretty sad since they were proven years ago to be just regular apes existing today. And Nutcracker man is also an australopithecus. It's funny how many of the most complete fossils tend to be the ones that are disproven. Have you considered that perhaps the others are too incomplete to prove anything either way? As for the skulls closer to modern humans, the fact that they are different than regular humans doesn't prove that they were half-ape at all. Look at a baby skull. Look at a 5-year-olds skull. Look at a teenager's skull. Look at a 30-year-olds skull. Look at a 100-year-olds skull. They're all different. If humans' lifespans were 5 or 10 times longer in the past, those features would keep growing. A human skull with vague ape-ish features could simply be a human that died around the age of 500 or 800. Recently it has been discovered that "homo habilis" and "erectus" lived at the same time (but in different places) and "neanderthal" was discovered in the same place as modern human bones. These fossils are no proof at all. They're mostly just apes from fairly recent times." --TazG

    There is no way to determine how old things are based on where they are found. It's based on an imaginary assumption, and these facts and more show how that assumption holds no validity at all.

    It seems impractical that 4,000 years fossils would be here.


    TazG
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    Dec 14, 2006, 5:02 AM

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    Also, They could have live with some dinosaurs, but not T rex'es or any larger than that.

    How does the size of a dinosaur indicate whether they were alive when humans were?


    a brilliant Japanese cryptographer/physicist
    developed binary code travelling the speed of intellectual property
    in Ireland.


    TazG
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    Dec 14, 2006, 5:05 AM

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    It seems impractical that 4,000 years fossils would be here.

    Impractical based on the assumption that it takes longer than that for things to fossilize. But There is no way to determine how old things are based on where they are found. So how exactly do you conlude that it's impractical?


    a brilliant Japanese cryptographer/physicist
    developed binary code travelling the speed of intellectual property
    in Ireland.

    (This post was edited by TazG on Dec 14, 2006, 5:05 AM)


    12bye
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    Dec 14, 2006, 5:11 AM

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    It seems impractical that 4,000 years fossils would be here.

    Impractical based on the assumption that it takes longer than that for things to fossilize. But There is no way to determine how old things are based on where they are found. So how exactly do you conlude that it's impractical?


    Well, if a Beast dies, it takes time to degrade, leaving bones. Then we need the whole process of turning into a fossil. This could take several hundred years PERHAPS.

    Siiigh, I don't know how long the earth has been around, but I do know that fossils take alot of years to be "Fossilized"


    TazG
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    Dec 14, 2006, 7:36 AM

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    They need burial and time. That's a fact. The assumption is that the burial takes millions of years, thus the depth they are buried at shows how old they are. That's definitely flawed. If they were buried quickly it could easily have happened in 6000 years or less. And it only makes sense that they WERE buried quickly, because otherwise they would have decomposed.


    a brilliant Japanese cryptographer/physicist
    developed binary code travelling the speed of intellectual property
    in Ireland.

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