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Most Effiecient Governmental System?

 
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Maelstrom
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Feb 5, 2007, 1:56 PM

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Whilst browsing through wikipedia one sleepless night, I stumbled upon an interesting article about governmental systems, personally I found quite a few of them to actually be effective, but for one way or another they failed, basically I am trying to start a small debate, over which Governmental system is probably most effective for running a country. Now, I'm not going to type up a long post describing the country, because I know there are a bunch of smart asses out there, that feel like posting something like

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It depends on the condition, and certain other properties of the country.
No, I mean any country in general, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Hell even East Timor. Personally I am leaning towards a Communistic Government, I myself actually do not understand why it does not work. Communism is an ideology that seeks to establish a classless, stateless Social Organization, based upon common ownership of the means of production. Basically meaning, that everyone is equal, which is the same idealogy as Democracy, whilst Democracy though is focused on the citizens voting controlling the power, while in Communism it's always a dictator for life.

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In Russia, the 1917 October Revolution was the first time any party with an avowedly Marxist orientation, in this case the Bolshevik Party, seized state power. The assumption of state power by the Bolsheviks generated a great deal of practical and theoretical debate within the Marxist movement. Marx believed that socialism and communism would be built upon foundations laid by the most advanced capitalist development.


That was the first time Communism was put to use, of course Lenin's ideals were completely changed, by Stalin but were a bit alike, but it still remained that everyone was equal, and therefor all received the same pay. Most people during that time who criticized Communism described it like this.

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All you do is stack three bricks of a building, and be able to buy three pork chops.
~Max Kincid, University of Texas
So what's everyone else's opinion?



Pheylan
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Feb 5, 2007, 2:05 PM

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This website outlines a good portion of the systen of government with which I agree to more than any other I have so far seen.

http://www.arild-hauge.com/elife.htm

and

http://www.arild-hauge.com/elov.htm

"Frikiong Conformatron" --TazG

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-Xavier-
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Feb 5, 2007, 2:09 PM

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Communism is a lot like a threesome. It's a good idea on paper, but has a tendency to fail in real life.

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Lother
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Feb 5, 2007, 2:12 PM

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Communism is a lot like a threesome. It's a good idea on paper, but has a tendency to fail in real life.
I completely agree. It is a beautiful thought but it just doesn't work out.


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coolgreencat
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Feb 5, 2007, 2:15 PM

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Communism is like drugs, at first it can be great...but then it slowly is makes you feel like [Expletive Deleted].

"When push comes to shove, a lot more will be pushed than shoved."

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Maelstrom
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Feb 5, 2007, 2:18 PM

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Thread finished, Pheylan has solved our troubles.


Shinysheep
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Feb 5, 2007, 2:30 PM

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Technically, the most efficant governmental system is anarchy-Things get done fastest.

But, imo, the best governmental system is socalism. (true communism there is no government. )

Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis ad capul tuum saxum immane mittam.


Valiant
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Feb 5, 2007, 3:10 PM

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I believe the communism-simile-maximum has been reached for this thread.

Eschew obfuscation, espouse elucidation.


TazG
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Feb 5, 2007, 3:11 PM

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Any governmental system is efficient, if you simply remove the humans.

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Lother
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Feb 5, 2007, 3:32 PM

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You are king of the world, there is no world. Therefore you are king of nothing, what is a king that rules nothing? Not a king.
UNLESS YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT DUCKS THEN YOU SUX


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Invidious
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Feb 5, 2007, 8:12 PM

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Communism doesn't work because homo sapiens are a greedy species.

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It depends on the condition, and certain other properties of the country.
Not so much on the condition of the country and what not, but the way the people react. Creating a governmental system that works out really well isn't enough, you also need to be able to tweak that governmental system to govern actual people.

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All you do is stack three bricks of a building, and be able to buy three pork chops.
That quote sums up what the problem with Communism is, people don't want to work. Why? Because they're lazy, and if they slack off and do a slipshod job they still get paid the same as the guy who worked his ass off. This removes any incentive to work productively.

You should read some books on this if you're interested in the subject. I think you should start with A Wealth of Nations by Adam Smith and to Communist Manifesto by Karl Marx and Engels then work your way up past the Capital books also by Karl Marx. After you have a fair understanding of the economic and social systems you should read The Histories by Herodotus and see how past civilizations and their social systems reflect their economy, general state of progress and most importantly, why. After you're done with that you might want to read Diplomacy by Henry Kissinger and see how you could apply what you now know of humans into a modern society.

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huffalump
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Feb 6, 2007, 12:49 AM

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Mhmmm its just that people take it for granted like Stalin. But hey China is in great shape economically speaking, and they are communist.


Xbot
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Feb 6, 2007, 2:09 AM

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I believe in a socialist democracy in policy. It would involve all the things currently involved in elections, but with more transparency, less corporate control, a lot better governing, a better system of impeachment for all political leaders, etc.

In large part, it'd be socialism by law, not by written contract. Law can change, written contract cannot.

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TazG
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Feb 6, 2007, 2:16 AM

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and yes, I did get laid in highschool.
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Invidious
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Feb 6, 2007, 5:52 PM

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Mhmmm its just that people take it for granted like Stalin. But hey China is in great shape economically speaking, and they are communist.
But this is another classic example of what I meant by systems of government need to be tweaked based on what type of people populate the country in question.

Chinese culture has always been very conformist and the people there have little problem with doing what they're told. However in a country such as the U.S. where Individualism is one of the largest values it can be a problem.

Then there's also the fact that China has a population of over 1.3 billion. Think of it this way: An ant colony works because of its sheer size and synergy(the goal of communism). Now compare that to the States. We have a bunch of small colonies competing against each other. Now which system is the most productive? If humans were ants the answer would obviously be the one communal colony working in synergy, however humans are not like ants and are greedy. That's why communism doesn't work: Humans are greedy idiots.

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Lother
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Feb 7, 2007, 9:45 AM

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Humans are greedy
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Humans are idiots.
no


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Invidious
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Feb 8, 2007, 12:34 AM

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Mhmmm its just that people take it for granted like Stalin. But hey China is in great shape economically speaking, and they are communist.
Hiya Skanks.

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chunk sketch
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Feb 11, 2007, 12:23 PM

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communism would be perfect to run the world...that is of course if we lived in a world where everyone does the smae amount of work and there was no such thing as laziness..there will never be a perfect government unless somehow we start to live like the people in "the giver" or "the anthem". but even then its not perfect because it would take away FREEdom of expression.

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syncth
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Feb 12, 2007, 1:02 AM

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Shinysheep
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Feb 12, 2007, 8:39 AM

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and yes, I did get laid in highschool.

Bull[Expletive Deleted].

Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis ad capul tuum saxum immane mittam.


TazG
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Mar 2, 2007, 1:03 AM

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Humans are greedy
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Humans are idiots.
no
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Its_not_me
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Mar 24, 2009, 6:59 PM

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Consider this:

You do your best throughout school, go to uni for 3-5 years, you even go and get a P.HD in theoretical physics specializing in quantum mechanics and yet you get paid just as much as the person who never attended school and cleans toilets for a living.

Is this fair? I don't think so.

This is basically what communism is. It is distribution of wealth and it is a terrible thing.


henrrygx
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May 4, 2009, 5:06 PM

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I think the best future government type will be based on democracy + socialism + energy.
I call the new system “Democracy+” and it’s mean that we will need to pay less for things in the future if these things will work automatically.
It’s like we do not pay yet for the air we breath or the sun that shine the same will be in the future we will create things that will work for us using clean energy.
The democracy option will help us to vote for bigger projects to use our FREE energy.
We will still use the capitalism system but we will bay less and less when more clean energy options will come.
What you think?


Dr. Funk
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May 5, 2009, 11:04 PM

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This is basically what communism is. It is distribution of wealth and it is a terrible thing.
that is because the entire purpose of being successful in life is not to do what you enjoy, but rather to make as much money as possible to buy the rights to being egotistical and arrogant, and then die

amirite

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coolgreencat
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May 5, 2009, 11:22 PM

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is drfunk defending communism

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