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Issac Katana
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Jun 21, 2008, 10:44 AM

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I believe in Jesus.

I think the Bible was FUBAR though.

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coolgreencat
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Jun 21, 2008, 10:46 AM

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I believe in Jesus.

I think the Bible was FUBAR though.

What the hell is a FUBAR, and why do you think the bible was one.

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luffy 747
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Jun 21, 2008, 10:52 AM

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the jesustroll theory does make sense. if the amount of evidence you have of the existence of god or jesus' divinity is enough to prove them the amount of evidence for jesustroll is enough to prove it. there is nothing disproving it.

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coolgreencat
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Jun 21, 2008, 10:54 AM

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There is nothing disproving my theory that Abe Lincoln was an alien in a man suit. But no one would believe that, because it doesn't contextually. Jesus CLAIMED divinity. He practiced Judaism, and he was prophesied.

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Loads O Fire
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Jun 21, 2008, 11:08 AM

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I have never been very Religious, but I do believe in god. Jesus? Maybe.

I believe its possible that Jesus was a real person, he most likely was, but was he who we think he was? I'm not sure. Its more likely that he was just a schizophrenic, who believed he was the son of God. Some people will say thats unbelievable, but its more likely than him actually being the son of God. I care very little for Jesus, since, he really, was just a messenger. People revolve their lives around Jesus, when he is not even god. Some may say he is, or even quote the bible, but the bible is the real problem.

In my opinion, the bible is a load of crap. Jesus never told anyone to write it down, and its been proven (Or at least, a lot of evidence has shown) that the bible was not written until close to 100 years AFTER Jesus was crucified, meaning there was a 100 year gap after what Jesus said should be in the bible, and what the priests, or what ever they are, wrote it down. I don't feel like referencing any of this, but if you care enough to disagree, search it. There have been countless articles / videos stating that the bible was written over one hundred years after Jesus actually died. Back than, they didn't have tape recorders, they didn't have computers, they passed the story of the bible along by mouth. Remember, people only lived until about 40-50 years old back than, so that means the people who actually saw Jesus, never recorded any of it into the Bible.

Do I believe in Jesus Christ, maybe. Do I believe in god? Probably. There will always be some doubt.

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coolgreencat
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Jun 21, 2008, 11:13 AM

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Wut.

The bible was starting to be written 20 years after Jesus, which is extremely early.

How do you know that Jesus never told anyone to write it down? Why would they include him telling them to.

You have come into this debate and stated your own opinion, you have answered 0 of my case.

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Sneep
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Jun 21, 2008, 11:16 AM

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Any troll would claim divinity if it resulted in lulz

My theory now contextually makes sense.

Oh, and FUBAR means f'd up beyond all recognition

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coolgreencat
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Jun 21, 2008, 11:24 AM

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If a troll was doing it for "lulz", he would tell everyone to kill each other THEN do miracles.

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luffy 747
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Jun 21, 2008, 11:40 AM

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how can you prove what the bible says even has any merit? it was written by men and has been edited by men many times over 2000 years. how can you be sure it is true in anyway?

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Sneep
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Jun 21, 2008, 11:44 AM

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If a troll was doing it for "lulz", he would tell everyone to kill each other THEN do miracles.

Not at all.

What we have today is a fine example of the lulz just such a troll would seek out.

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Jun 21, 2008, 11:53 AM

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The bible was starting to be written 20 years after Jesus

what

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If a troll was doing it for "lulz", he would tell everyone to kill each other THEN do miracles.

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coolgreencat
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Jun 21, 2008, 11:56 AM

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The bible was starting to be written 20 years after Jesus

what

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If a troll was doing it for "lulz", he would tell everyone to kill each other THEN do miracles.

...happened to this thread

Routhys trying to ruin it, and if I don't answer his stupid asserions he'll gloat that he has won or something.

TAZG: The bible was written as Jesus was alive, but the evidence points to 20 years after Jesus when they were all collaborated.

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Sneep
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Jun 21, 2008, 12:13 PM

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Since when was disagreeing with you in a way you can't effectively counter-argue 'trying to ruin it'?

Praise Jesustroll

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the ace
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Jun 21, 2008, 1:49 PM

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Are you essentially saying that as long as there is a man/woman who claims to be divine, respected historians who will provide accounts of his/her life and actions, followers who will be killed or persecuted for him/her, a supporting book written by believers, and a seemingly fulfilled prophecy, then the prophet's divinity is plausible?

If so, then you would have to agree that many other, sometimes conflicting religions are just as believable as Christianity, no? Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, Sikhism, Hinduism, and most Tribal Spirtualisms to name a few. Hell, even Scientologists are publicly ridiculed for what they believe, if not quite percecuted Tongue

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Jindrak
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Jun 21, 2008, 4:24 PM

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Muchuchu
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Jun 21, 2008, 4:46 PM

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CGC you have not given any facts at all, your arguement is bleh. Just because some well known historian says something is true or close to 100% true doesn't mean it is.

christianity is based off of faith and trust, trying to prove something like this worthless as there is no real or true proof, if there was wouldn't jewish people be christian as many many other non christians?

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coolgreencat
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Jun 21, 2008, 11:00 PM

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@routhy: your jesustroll theory holds that jesus resurrected, that was the points of this debate.

@Ace: No other religion has this. Not one. The closest I could think of is Islam, and those are pretty weak and really debunk able.
And yes. If we have a ton of ancient prophesies coming true, eye witnesses willing to be tortures and killed in the name of what they SAW(no faith involved), and the explosion of an entire religion out of no where, why shouldn't we think things are up.
EDIT: You are confusing Faith whit Eye witnesses. People die for their faith all the time, but have they actually witnessed it? These people witnessed it.

@muchuchu: You still have given me nothing, you say my case is bleh, but have no reason to.
BTW: If Judaism is true, Christianity is true. If Jews hold that Jesus was not the messiah, then there wasn't one.

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Sneep
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Jun 22, 2008, 12:18 AM

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@routhy: your jesustroll theory holds that jesus resurrected, that was the points of this debate.

Indeed it does, but once this thread encroaches into the deeper pools of Christianity, I'll be waiting.

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Issac Katana
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Jun 22, 2008, 2:16 AM

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I say again, the Bible was a False, But I believe in Jesus.

(BTW, FUBAR means [Expletive Deleted]'d up beyond all recognition.)

I have read the bible, and I believe its bull. Well maybe the Old Testament was false.

coolgreencat
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Jun 22, 2008, 2:37 AM

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What about it was bull?

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luffy 747
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Jun 22, 2008, 3:18 AM

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you still didnt answer my question.

how can you prove what the bible says even has any merit? it was written by men and has been edited by men many times over 2000 years. how can you be sure it is true in anyway?

and other religions do have the same things. buddhism for instance. buddha died his people were persecuted and he has a book. but instead of be resurrected he was reincarnated. if you believe the first can happen why couldnt the second?

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coolgreencat
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Jun 22, 2008, 3:26 AM

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you still didnt answer my question.

how can you prove what the bible says even has any merit?it was written by men and has been edited by men many times over 2000 years. how can you be sure it is true in anyway?

and other religions do have the same things. buddhism for instance. buddha died his people were persecuted and he has a book. but instead of be resurrected he was reincarnated. if you believe the first can happen why couldnt the second?

1st. I'm not using the bible. I'm using historical documents, letters and creeds.

2nd. Your facts about the bible are wrong, but I wont get into that.

3rd. Buddhism has no evidence.

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luffy 747
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Jun 22, 2008, 3:28 AM

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well now your just randomly rejecting things. there is plenty of evidence for buddhism at least as much as there is for christianity.
and these historical records are still written by me who are infinitely fallible and prone to lying.
and how are my facts about the bible wrong?

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coolgreencat
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Jun 22, 2008, 3:49 AM

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1. Name some evidence for Buddhism.
2. Alright, lets throw out EVERYTHING we learn about history thats written. Because they were all prone to lying. Even though modern historians go back and claim they aren't lying.
3. What about the bible?

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luffy 747
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Jun 22, 2008, 3:55 AM

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1. i have no desire to write out the history of a whole religion look at it yourself http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism

2. things found through archeology and proven but real objects are one thing. but simple written history cannot always be trusted. if it could i could say the illiad and the odyssey are as believable as the new testament. Odysseus performed many unbelievable tasks too.

3.well you said my facts about the bible were wrong. how ever what i said was true. it was written by men and it has been edited and changed over 2000 years. the notion that the current bible is really anything like the original is really preposterous. its like a game of telephone as it is passed through the generations it changes.

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