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The Historicity of Jesus Christ.

 
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luffy 747
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Jun 23, 2008, 4:58 AM

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and there is a multitude of other evidence that says there was editing. its simply going to go back and forth.

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coolgreencat
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Jun 23, 2008, 5:25 AM

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and there is a multitude of other evidence that says there was editing. its simply going to go back and forth.
Show me this evidence.

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luffy 747
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Jun 23, 2008, 5:55 AM

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although im sure it will be derided because its from wikipedia several articles on apocryphal texts as relating to the bible. often left out because they disagree with the church's point of view.

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coolgreencat
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Jun 23, 2008, 6:42 AM

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Can I see them? And yes, wiki is not a source.

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luffy 747
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Jun 23, 2008, 6:55 AM

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oops forgot the link. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocrypha#Apocryphal_texts_by_denomination
but since that is unsatisfactory i present a collection of early christian texts including the apocrypha
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/
i dont see the gospel of thomas in my bible.

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coolgreencat
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Jun 23, 2008, 7:02 AM

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oops forgot the link. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocrypha#Apocryphal_texts_by_denomination
but since that is unsatisfactory i present a collection of early christian texts including the apocrypha
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/
i dont see the gospel of thomas in my bible.
Because they were worthless.

http://www.tektonics.org/qt/thomasgospel.html

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Pheylan
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Jun 23, 2008, 8:55 AM

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Christian Apologetics is not exactly the most unbiased source, at all. I wouldn't be making claims of unreliability when all of your information comes from the same site with an obvious agenda. On top of this, I really didn't see where anyone on that site got any of their information. So to call it evidence is quite a stretch.

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coolgreencat
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Jun 23, 2008, 9:21 AM

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Christian Apologetics is not exactly the most unbiased source, at all. I wouldn't be making claims of unreliability when all of your information comes from the same site with an obvious agenda. On top of this, I really didn't see where anyone on that site got any of their information. So to call it evidence is quite a stretch.
At the bottom of his pages he sites evidence and where he got them from. I just use it because he has arguments pre-made.

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luffy 747
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Jun 24, 2008, 4:37 AM

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just for fun a list of atrocities that happened in the bible.
http://www.nobeliefs.com/DarkBible/darkbible3.htm

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coolgreencat
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Jun 24, 2008, 5:13 AM

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First off, a lot of those quotes are probably taken out of context or mis interpreted.

BUT, I'm too lazy at the moment to look all of them up.

So I'll just give you a reason for gods harshness in the bible.

The reason god is the way he is in the old testament is because it was for the Jews, back then. It was made for that culture so he could bring up the messiah Jesus Christ. They did fine with it.

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luffy 747
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Jun 24, 2008, 7:04 AM

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i just dont like the idea of a god that doesnt follow his own rules. (specifically the 10 commandments)

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coolgreencat
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Jun 24, 2008, 8:06 AM

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i just dont like the idea of a god that doesnt follow his own rules. (specifically the 10 commandments)
He doesn't? Like when.

By the way it's "thou shall not murder" not "thou shall not kill"

Murder is killing without a cause.

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Pheylan
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Jun 25, 2008, 12:48 AM

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First off, a lot of those quotes are probably taken out of context or mis interpreted.

BUT, I'm too lazy at the moment to look all of them up.

So I'll just give you a reason for gods harshness in the bible.

The reason god is the way he is in the old testament is because it was for the Jews, back then. It was made for that culture so he could bring up the messiah Jesus Christ. They did fine with it.
The old testament god was the demiurge, a terrible evil creator who enslaved our FREE souls to these earthly shackles. The new testament God will FREE us, with his son Jesus sent to us to bring us Gnosis.

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coolgreencat
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Jun 25, 2008, 1:25 AM

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First off, a lot of those quotes are probably taken out of context or mis interpreted.

BUT, I'm too lazy at the moment to look all of them up.

So I'll just give you a reason for gods harshness in the bible.

The reason god is the way he is in the old testament is because it was for the Jews, back then. It was made for that culture so he could bring up the messiah Jesus Christ. They did fine with it.
The old testament god was the demiurge, a terrible evil creator who enslaved our FREE souls to these earthly shackles. The new testament God will FREE us, with his son Jesus sent to us to bring us Gnosis.
....God...wasn't...evil

You misinterpret evil with harshness. Yes, god was more harsh to the Jews. But you can also find many cases of god being loving in the OT.

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jamman
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Jun 25, 2008, 2:43 AM

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You still haven't answered my Jesustroll theory.
There is no evidence for the Jesustroll theory.
Sure there is.

You draw a feasible, but unprovable conclusion (the existence of the Christian God) from a comparatively small, albeit related, amount of evidence.

I drew a feasible, but unprovable conclusion (Jesustroll) from the exact same small, albeit related, amount of evidence.

Anything that debunks my theory also debunks yours.


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qujing
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Jun 25, 2008, 3:40 AM

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I believe in Jesus. Unimpressed

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Jindrak
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Jun 25, 2008, 4:17 AM

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You still haven't answered my Jesustroll theory.
There is no evidence for the Jesustroll theory.
Sure there is.

You draw a feasible, but unprovable conclusion (the existence of the Christian God) from a comparatively small, albeit related, amount of evidence.

I drew a feasible, but unprovable conclusion (Jesustroll) from the exact same small, albeit related, amount of evidence.

Anything that debunks my theory also debunks yours.

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luffy 747
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Jun 25, 2008, 4:53 AM

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so if a man kills his daughter for committing sodomy( ex sodom and gamora) he is harsh not evil. i do believe murder(even with a "cause") is still grounds for being called evil

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coolgreencat
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Jun 25, 2008, 5:15 AM

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Argh, in order to understand my position, you need to understand ancient Jews. Believe it or not you can't compare then to now.

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Jindrak
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Jun 25, 2008, 5:23 AM

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you need to understand ancient Jews.
which you do personally since you've talked to them right


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coolgreencat
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Jun 25, 2008, 5:43 AM

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you need to understand ancient Jews.
which you do personally since you've talked to them right
No, but I have researched this matter a bit lately.

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Sneep
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Jun 25, 2008, 6:55 AM

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oh a bit

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Muchuchu
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Jun 25, 2008, 8:47 AM

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Ignorant people who have never once taken a religious class think that all of the Books of the Old Testament are real pieces of history. Most of the books are just analogies that we are supposed to learn lessons from. If you don't know or realize that then that just shows you have no idea what you are talking about in the first place.

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coolgreencat
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Jun 25, 2008, 9:13 AM

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When did I even say that I took all of the OT literally?

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Muchuchu
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Jun 25, 2008, 9:27 AM

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i was speaking in general not necessarily to you i was just to lazy to edit the reply field

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