He had Parents and Siblings that grew up with him. His coming was also prophesied, it was not totally random.

I don't see how this is relevant.

could say the same about Muhammad

matter of opinion

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your point about him being prophesied was irrelevant because it's a matter of opinion.

ill give you points 1 and 2 but you lose on 3 and 4.
on 3 and 4 you underestimate the willingness of people to die for causes they support even if they know they are false.

and as for the body. it would be easy for a large ground of believer (the disciples for instance) to removed and hide or dispose of the body. so while he may have and probably did exist it is doubtful that he was resurrected.

i was referring to the leaders of the cults but the general example of people willing to die for what they believe regardless of a lack of evidence for it still holds.

people are often willing to die for what they believe or to spread their message. if i am willing to die to make you believe that the common household roach is the new messiah does that make it true?

1. Jesus was undoubtedly a real man at one time. Many ancient historians document this including Josephus and Tacitus.

2. Jesus was crucified. This is documented by people too. Including the ancient historians Josephus and Tacitus.

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So if I write a paper saying that dinossaurs came back to Earth on a spaceship, took it over, and then an atomic bomb launched by the vietnamits killed them and someone finds this paper 2000 years from now they should take it as a fact? Give me a freaking break. I do not doubt he did exist, but I do doubt had any special powers at all. Mainly because I don't believe in god.

Jesus is a lie, god is a lie, religion is a lie. As Karl Marx said, "religion is the impotence of human mind to deal with occurences it cannot understand". Most of violent acts happen because of religion. 9/11? Those arab terrorists who took the plane over and smashed themselves on the towers did so not because they were willing to die for a very noble man called Osama Bin Laden. They believed that that was a one way ticket to heaven.

He had Parents and Siblings that grew up with him. His coming was also prophesied, it was not totally random.

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Sometimes trolls will use multiple accounts in order to achieve the desired effect.

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Trolls don't have powers like Jesus'

HEY! YOU'RE A BIASED ASS HOLE.

Josephus and Tacitus were very careful and trust worthy historians.

Don't be a Richard Dawkins wannabe.

The greatest killers of all time were athiest, and many mass killings have been done in the name of an athiest world view. However, saying something like that isn't a fair arguement, which is why it shouldn't be brought up.

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So if I'm defending my point of view I... shouldn't be biased? Too biased.

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But were they 100% accurate? Historians think so. As I said, Jesus might have existed. But that doesn't mean a) he had powers b) you fail to refute any of my case. he was god's son. And indeed, I'm not out of high school yet.

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I don't know who that is, but I get what you mean. I've come to the conclusion that god does not exist by my self, not because I wanna play the cool or because some famous guy said it. Fair enough

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Does the word "Crusade" ring a bell? Muslim/Christian war? Ya. And yes, it is a fair argument depending on the point you're trying to prove.But they fact that Christians killed people, doesn't stop it from being true. What about all the Christian charity's? But I'd be a hypocrite if I used this argument since I believe that the world can only be changed through a violent revolution. Thus, if we keep on discussing, let's stop using this argument.

Back to the historians "weeding" out the crap and the junk, how are they supposed to know what is true and what isn't?Their trained to do it with years of studying and education. Common sense? Sure, turning water into blood does make sense.Fallacy Or was that moses? Anyway, you get the point.

You still haven't answered my Jesustroll theory.

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There is no evidence for the Jesustroll theory.

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Sure there is.

You draw a feasible, but unprovable conclusion (the existence of the Christian God) from a comparatively small, albeit related, amount of evidence.

I drew a feasible, but unprovable conclusion (Jesustroll) from the exact same small, albeit related, amount of evidence.

Anything that debunks my theory also debunks yours.