Maybe someone should post the thread and some of the key ideas in the posts after in this section. There are a lot of non-vets that are arguing in topics like this. Maybe if they saw the idea they would agree with it. And there wouldnt be so much going back and forth.

FGF has a problem.

To my knowledge, there are no other forums which have an obsession of giving people various stupid positions of power. I am getting tired of seeing all this hierarchal silliness going on here. Believe it or not, this is the underlying cause of the majority of conflicts that happen here.
It seems as though everyone is always looking for an excuse to have power - not everything is implemented, but the ideas have always been there. I have seen a lot of suggestions about creating new positions for people... even giving veterans, for example, power just for being veterans. Veterans should simply have their opinions respected more; that is all they have earned.
Anyways, I would like to see this title gone. I think that Runescape "MM"s should be taken down as well.
By the way, I wouldn't really take the super moderators' positions on this very seriously. It is human nature to irrationally defend their power simply because it is theirs. And, no, I'm not saying that everyone here is like that, but, frankly, a lot of you are relatively young and incapable of handling such things properly.

Jammer, you are the administrator. Be one.
[accent "Georgian"]Dammit, Jim, I'm a moderator, not a president.[/accent]

I was against this since before it was implemented... but I was ignored.


Now, this is the way things should be:

Choosing new moderators or demodding current ones should be up to all moderators, not just one. Jammer will make the final decisions, paying close attention to what all the moderators have to say, as he should.
Every moderator should be a category moderator. That means that "General", for example, should be treated as a forum, which is broken into several sections. The moderators would mod those as a whole. The FAQ and Moderators Forum would probably be exceptions, though. Most of the mods would still focus more on the certain forums which they visit most, but having the whole category accessible to all the mods is the most efficient and proper way to do it.



And that's what I have to say about that.

Alright, here's what I've compiled from all the talking everyone has done, and I hope that this conversation can stay clean and simple, down and to the point. I would like it if everyone who wants to simply comment, to not post a comment here, but rather post it somewhere else if you have some sort of gripe. If you have a suggestion as to something to be added, please post it, as it can make this a more finite definition of a final product. I will be updating this post as nessisary.

First, Veterans choose each catagory's moderators by a poll.

Once the catagory's moderators are chosen by all the veterans as the final right decisions, they are all appointed to the catagory, and are responible for their catagory as a whole, not just select forums in that catagory.

If more moderators are desired, or it is nessisary for one to be taken out of the order, then one of the moderators will create a poll, in the moderators section, to be voted upon by the other moderators of that section, also, a requirement of 2/3 must be met, in order for a decision to be final.

If the poll is concerning a moderator, they may not vote on the decision. If there is concern by the other members of the moderating community, on a subject not related to their catagory/catagories then they must create a new topic to discuss such matters, as it is the role of such outside moderators to be responsible as such, and not interupt the decisions of that catagories staff.

If Jammer decides, of his own volition that he would like to have "Moderator Controllers" for each section, the moderators of each section will decide amongst each other, whom should be the MC.

If, for any reason, on any poll, for any section, that there is the event of a tie, the decision will be made by the veterans in a repeat of the poll brought to the veterans section, and only the initial post from the poll will be placed in the veterans section.

In the event that a moderator should have a poll placed for them to be de-modded, for one week a poll will be placed for their de-modding. Should they actually be voted for de-modding, for the next two weeks, they will remain a moderator of that section, until a replacement can be found, voted on, and placed in their position.

Reguarding "Official MM" ranks:
The Official MM rank has become something of a prestigious position, which is not what should be happening. The Official MM was supposed to be something that respected and trusted members of the community did out of the kindness of their hearts, so as to assure the safety of trades. Official Mm's have now become viewed as greater than moderators in the eyes of some and this is disturbing. Official MM's should not have their own individual forum, nor should they have their own forum-wide rank as Runescape is not the only topic in the forums. A stickied list of Official MM's should suffice for the use of the public, and the elimination of the MM's forum for it will be then useless.

These should be the final results, if you do not agree with one point made or another, but agree with a good portion of this statement, I would enjoy it very much, if you would leave well enough alone and let this go through as is. All the compromising that has been done over the last few days has not swayed far from these main points, and it seems that we all agree overall.

I think having a separate forum for moderating-related polls is a good idea. Giving moderators who have polls up about themselves temporary bans from that forum would be the most reasonable thing to do, considering the limitations of this software.

Also, I want to make something clear, because I'm not sure that it is yet: If there are going to be Moderator Controller(s), they will not have any more say about what happens than anyone else. They can not refuse any polls that any moderator suggests, or anything like that. They will simply announce any changes to Jammer, create polls, handle the temp-bans, or whatever needs to happen, and that's all.

There's nothing in the rules that says we can't...

*second quote was me * I feel so proud *nearly cries*

If you could only see the mods\veterans only catagories you would understand

Mostly all the Vets agree that Xbot should'nt be a Smod

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Not true. Some don't care, and some think he's doing ok.